Saturday, March 23, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -363




  • Trev Light Bown All biblical insights lead to non-dual Self-awareness. Self-Awareness is Christ consciousness. Self –Knowledge or Brahma Gnana in biblical sense is ultimate Truth or Christ. The truth was not written down but was imparted orally to the chosen few. 

    One moment you are knocking priests guru philosophers and religionists then you say they lead to self realization.
  • Santthosh Kumaar 1- The look of an object will depend upon the medium through which the observer views it. In fact, our mental and intellectual conditions determine the three states, observed and experienced. The commoner viewing the three states will see differently from a Gnani viewing the same three states. Each one interprets the three states that they see in terms of their existing knowledge. The commoner sees everything based on the ego therefore experiences the birth, life, death and the world as reality whereas a Gnani sees everything as consciousness and he is fully aware of the fact that there is no second thing exists other than consciousness. Thus all the egocentric (religious) adulteration has to be bifurcated to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman to know the truth propagated by the ancient sages of the truth. The sages of truth are not religious gurus or saints. 

    Sri, Sankara himself had often said that his philosophy was based on Sruti, or revealed scripture. This may be because Sri, Sankara addressed the ordinary man, who finds security in the idea of causality and thus in the idea of God—and Revelation is indispensable to prove the latter. He believed that those of superior intelligence, have no need of this idea of divine causality, and can therefore dispense with Sruti and arrive at the truth of Non-Dualism by pure reason. 

    Gaudapada says that: - The merciful Veda teaches karma and Upasana to people of lower and middling intellect, while Jnana is taught to those of higher intellect.

    Mundaka Upanishad: - The study of the Vedas, linguistics, Rituals, astronomy and all the arts can be called lower knowledge. The higher is that which leads to Self-realization. The eye cannot see it; mind cannot grasp it. The deathless Self has neither caste nor race, neither eyes not ears nor hands nor feet. Sages say this Self is infinite in the great and in the small, everlasting and changeless, the source of life. 
    Sage, Sri, Sankara' gave religious, ritual or dogmatic instruction to the mass but pure philosophy only to the few who could rise to it. Hence the interpretation of his writings by commentators is often confusing because they mix up the two viewpoints. Thus they may assert that ritual is a means of realizing Brahman, which is absurd. 

    That is why Sage Sri, Sankara indicated: - VC-65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted arguments.

    66. Therefore the wise should, as in the case of disease and the like, personally strive by all the means in their power to be free from the bondage of repeated births and deaths.---FORMLESS PATH
  • Santthosh Kumaar 2- All religions of the world and all philosophies of the world are based on the individuality or ego; find no answers for many questions. Truth seekers all over the world are trying to find answers for themselves, and they imagine and write articles and books of their ideas and others will read and blindly accept them as truth. the spiritual truth were hidden by the sages and only to few it has been given to know the secrets of the Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana but for the mass they are in parables, so that seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand’. 

    Even in Christianity the self-knowledge or truth was hidden and initiated only to few. 

    While speaking to the multitude in a veiled manner, ‘privately to his own disciples he explained everything’ (Mark, 4:34), and advised them not to ‘throw your pearls before swine’ (Matthew, 7:6).

    Long before Socrates’ injunction: - “Know Thyself”, Indian sages of truth have been exploring for long the question of the truth of the man and his experience of the universe. Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is fundamental since all other knowledge is dependent upon this knowledge. It is important for one to know “what is truth” to realize “what is untruth”.

    Without first knowing the true self, one can never understand truly where he stands in the cosmic scheme of things. Ignorance of the innermost self is seen as the root cause of experiencing the birth, life, death and the world as reality. 

    Sage restrained themselves parting the Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana to the mass and it was given only selected few. It was hidden from the mass who were not qualified and receptive to it. Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana was not written down but was imparted orally to the chosen few. Thus, religion was given to the mass and knowledge of the spirit is given only selected few. Thus we find traces of knowledge of spirit in the religious books in the form of parables.

    There is no need to condemn any ones’ views and ideas or writing, but without being judgmental, seeker has to verify whether the author is speaking on the standpoint of ego, or whether he is speaking on the standpoint of soul, the innermost self. If his views are based on the standpoint of the waking entity or ego, then there is many doubts and confusion. If his views are based on the soul as self then there is no confusion and doubts of any sort. 

    Nothing has to be accepted without verifying the validity of any claim in pursuit of truth. Only un-contradictable truth has to be accepted as truth. There is no need to condemn any religion or any saints or sages, but seeker has to think beyond religion, scriptures and individualized gods. -FORMLESS PATH