Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion-- 369

Trev Light Bown:-Ok. I feel the truth in what you write above. 

Last night i watched some very gory videos about autopsy. This was a full one opening up body/head of a young man killed by gun shot.
The western world hides death. The "I" thought is who we think we are in duality. So one must be that same "I" thought while aware that it is made up of thought.
So what is "I" thought when all passing thoughts have been observed?

Papaji talks of this final hurdle/ trap.
It can think it self awake and start teaching. It can become great master with many followers.
The "I" thought cannot be removed as it will just become the conquering "I" thought.” 

SK:- Thoughts like “I” and “I are” will not cease until one understands ‘what is ‘I’.   One has to understand the fact that, the thought will not rise without the waking or dream therefore, the experience of the  waking or dream has to be there prior to real thought process. The thought comes to the waking  entity within the waking experience .  And to the dream entity within the dream. 

 Thus thoughts are nothing to do with the formless witness (soul)  of the waking or dream.  Thoughts are concerned to the individual not to the formless witness of the three states. Thus it very much necessry realze the existence of the formless witness of the three states to unfold the mystery of the mind.  Thus whatever is part of the mind has to be falsehood.  Thus the thoughts, which arise to the false self within the false experience is bound to be falsehood.  Thus it is erroneous to trace the source of the thought instead one has to first realize the fact that the ‘I’ is not the self.  And ‘I’ is not the limited to the physical entity(waking entity)  but ‘I’ is whole universe, which appears as waking or dream(duality)  and disappears as deep sleep (non-duality). 

If ‘I’ is there then only  the mind is present. If mind is there then the universe is present. And the universe is present only when waking or dream is present. 

One see differences between things because of ignorance, all these differences would vanish when one gets wisdom and the various thoughts rises because one considers ‘I’ as self. 

Please think: if we are discussing the same subject in the dream and you asked me the same questions in the dream, then whatever you said in dream becomes unreal, when the waking takes place. Whatever you are saying now, you are saying within the waking experience. The waking is unreal on the base of the formless witness, which is soul or Atman or consciousness. Thus it is necessary to realize the soul, which is in the form of consciousness is the innermost self. Thus all our conclusions and judgment has to be based on the formless witness of the three states not on the waking entity(ego or you) , which is limited to the waking experience. 

The unreal (mind or universe) is created out of real (soul or consciousness), and when one views and judges on the standpoint unreal (ego or waking entity) then there is duality. When one is able to view and judge on the standpoint of real (soul or consciousness) then there is only non -duality.  Therefore, when the wisdom dawns then there is neither duality, nor non-duality, only reality.

All these confusion will go on, until man thinks, he is an individual and apart from the world, and the world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards. Therefore, it is necessary to know the fact the true self is not ego, but the true self is the soul, and stop viewing and judging the worldview on the standpoint of the physical self (ego), and one has to view and judge on the standpoint of soul or consciousness to realize the fact that, the world along with man is illusion. The illusion (universe or mind or waking) is created out of consciousness. Thus consciousness is Brahman or ultimate reality. Thus no second thing exists other than consciousness. 

The Seeker has to think deeply and realize the fact that, the soul, which is present in the form of the consciousness, is the innermost self and is the unborn witness.  Thus the body, ego and the world are nothing to do with the unborn witness, which is ever formless.

Egocentricity blocks one from realizing non-dualistic or Advaitic truth.  If thinker realizes the fact that ,  his  body, his ego and his experience of the  world are created out of  single stuff than  it is possible for his  to   grasp the non-dualistic truth  in lesser time and effort . The seeker has to verify whatever he knows is truth or not before declaring whatever he knows is ultimate truth or Brahman.

The main reason why egocentricity prevents such understanding is that it causes a person to be strongly attached in the belief that consciousness is the support of the individual. 

Dualist sages could not distinguish between ‘I’ and ‘formless witness.’ The 'I' was the witness. Their highest was the Jiva. One is so much attached to the 'I' that he does not want to think that 'I' does not exist. Again one is unable to detach the ‘I’ from the Real witness. 

Whatever is born, lives and dies within the illusory waking experience.  The birth, life, death and the world are reality within the waking experience.  The birth, life, death and world are reality within the waking experience. The waking experience is mere falsehood from the ultimate stand point.  There is no use thinking how the body functions or with what body functions. The dream body functions within the dream and waking body functions within the waking experience.    One has to find out what powers the dream as a whole to realize the same power, powers the waking as whole.  The one who knows all the three states are one is essence also aware of the fact that the form, time and space are one in essence and that essence is consciousness, which is the innermost self.  When one realize the inner most self is not the body but formless consciousness than: where is the body, where is world in taintless consciousness. They are or have become consciousness, which ultimate truth or Brahman. 

Thus perfect understanding of what is what is necessary to unfold the mystery of the 'I' or mind.