Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion-373 (Osho&Meher Baba)

Trev Light Bown:- Ah. God men and Guru.
But then a devotee of Meher Baba..
From the same town as Osho and Naga Baba.????

SK: - There is no need to accept God men or Guru just because others have accepted them as their guru. I know many of the Gurus and swamis closely but I neither discuss with  them nor  I  follow their teaching. Just because I quote them sometimes, it does not mean that I follow them or I am their disciple. And identifying them as someones guru or disciple does not lead one to self-awareness.

Everyone is  not seeking truth thus many people  tend to follow the gurus and Baba of their choice because they are not seeking truth but seeking for a comfortable life and peace of mind is this unreal (practical) world.   
Osho was a great philosopher.  He knew inside and out all the philosophy of the world because he was head of the department of philosophy at Sagar University. -- He was a philosopher PhD; he knew well how to convince people He was the genius of para excellence. He exposed religious myth of many religions and also the good thing about their religion and their founders. When one listens to his talks he will realize he takes one the realm beyond physicality.   Judge yourself his words are ordinary or seem to be coming from beyond?
Osho had lots of controversies, was denied entry to many countries, because he exposed many religious atrocities of many religions of the world.

All his books; it's superbly outstanding... Because no one else has done those translations from Sanskrit and other language to English.

It doesn't matter to me much about his controversy because most of the popular Gurus are involved in some controversy or other. There is no need to evaluate someone and what they did with their other side of life, but what matter and important is contribution to the seeking world and their writing something that just beyond words.

There is no need to follow neither OSHO nor Meher Baba nor of anyone else have the seeker to follow his own soul.  By following some guru or yogi one will not get realization.

I respect Osho, Meher Baba and all other sages of truth. There is no need to accept anyone as a guru. The inner guru (soul) will guide every sincere and serious seeker to ultimate understanding and realization because the guru, disciple and the world are made of single stuff. In the realm of truth there is neither the guru, nor the disciple nor any teaching nor the world. Thus it is necessary to find the single stuff which is the cause of this universe in which we all exist to realize the single stiff itself is uncaused.  The single stuff is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

It doesn’t matter whether Osho enlightened or not to the seeker of truth. First the seeker of truth evaluates him. Osho has written something that just beyond words! That is enough. There is no need to prove him rightful or wrong person because the seeker of truth wants only the ultimate truth not the untruth of the unreal world in which we all  experience the birth, life and death as a reality.   The seeker has to Go deep into self-search then he will realize what is truth or what is untruth.

"MEHER BABA Said: -A true aspirant is not content with the knowledge of spiritual realities based on hearsay... he insists on the direct knowledge."

Meher Baba: - Spirituality does not need renunciation of worldly activities. It means the internal renunciation of mundane desires. Mere asceticism does not lead to spirituality. The Infinite embraces all expressions of life.

The seeker of truth has remembered Buddha’s words: - Believe nothing because a wise man said it, Believe nothing because it is generally held. Believe nothing because it is written. Believe nothing because it is said to be divine. Believe nothing because someone else said it. But believe only what you yourself judge to be true. –Buddha
Buddha: - No one saves us but ourselves.  No one can and no one may.  We ourselves must walk the path. 

Osho Buddha says: -  Go alone, just remember two things. Don’t carry your mistakes — that means, don’t carry your past. There is no need even to repent about the past. Your religious people go on teaching you, “Repent!” because it is through repentance that they make you feel guilty, and when you are guilty you can be exploited.

A real master always makes you feel good about yourself, not guilty; respectful towards yourself, not guilty. But the priests live on creating guilt in you. They would not like you to forget your mistakes; they want to remind you again and again. They have not even forgotten the sin that was committed by Adam and Eve; they go on reminding you about the original sin.

You have not committed it, but you are born into the chain in which the first man and woman committed it and you are carrying the load of it. You have to feel guilty even for that, what to say about your own mistakes? The priests have lived in great power for the simple reason that they have reduced you into guilty sinners.

Meher Baba was not only a mystical master but also a Gnani because there are lots of Advaitic essence of his teachings. Therefore the seeker of truth has to bifurcate the mystical teaching from his teaching to smell the fragrance of Advaita. 

Meher Baba’s teaching gives no importance to creed, dogma, caste or the performance of religious ceremonies and rites, but does to the UNDERSTANDING of the following seven Realities:-

1. The only Real Existence is that of the One and only God Who is the Self in every (finite) self.

2. The only Real Love is the Love for this Infinity (God), which arouses an intense longing to see, know and become one with its Truth (God).

3. The only Real Sacrifice is that in which, in pursuance of this Love, all things—body, mind, position, welfare and even life itself—are sacrificed.

4. The only Real Renunciation is that which abandons, even in the midst of worldly duties, all selfish thoughts and desires.

5. The only Real Knowledge is the Knowledge that God is the inner dweller in good people and in so-called bad, in saints and in the so-called sinner. This Knowledge requires you to help all equally as circumstances demand without expectation of reward, and when compelled to take part in a dispute, to act without the slightest trace of enmity or hatred; to try to make

Truth pursuit is a very personal journey. The seeker has to verify minutely on his own, “what is truth”, and “what is not truth”, before accepting anything as truth. The illusion exists as reality, only on the base of the ego, which is he false self within the false experience.

For Gnani, who is aware of the fact that the self is not physical but self is consciousness, there is no illusion, even though; he is in the midst of illusion, because he is fully aware of the fact that, all the three states are consciousness.  Therefore he is conscious of consciousness in the midst of the illusion.