Trev Light Bown:- Well I must say you speak more truth than most who are talking with me on chat. They say read Vedanta
SK: - There is no need to read Vedanta. One has to find out: - ‘what is mind or ‘I’?’, ‘what is the substance of the mind (I)?’ And what is the source if the mind (I) to realize the nature of the mind (I).
The non-duality has to be grasped in the midst of the duality (waking experience). Only when one is soulcentric the will realize ‘what is truth’ and ‘what is untruth’ and ‘what is reality’ and what is unreality’ and able establish himself in the truth and able to view and judge, the three states, on the base of the soul, which is ultimate truth or Brahman.
It is unfortunate people are stuck with their accumulated ideas based on the false self, and imagine about non duality and say nothing exist other than the source. But a Gnani says everything exists (illusion) but everything is created out of single stuff and that single stuff is the consciousness. Everything rises from the consciousness, and subsides as consciousness. Thus, the whole diversity (three states) has no relevance, on the standpoint of the consciousness as self.
Everything (illusion) is nothingness (consciousness) realizing the three states are created out nothingness (Consciousness). Nothingness is the nature of the consciousness, because there is no second thing exists other than itself.
Religion, mysticism and yoga are meant for the mass mind set, which are incapable investigating and verifying their inherited beliefs. The path of wisdom or truth is to get the pure essence of non-duality or Advaita.
The ultimate truth is based on the formless soul, the innermost self. Soul centric reasoning leads one to non-dual self-awareness. Therefore, there is need to rectify the reasoning base from ego base to soul base to understand, assimilate and realize the Non-dualistic or Advaitic truth.
Ramana Maharishi says: this self –inquiry is not the critical study of the scriptures. When the source is reached the mind (I) gets merged into it. The result of self-knowledge is cure for getting rid of the ignorance. It is the highest of all the results. There is nothing greater then it. there is no necessity to study the scriptures to acquire self-knowledge.
Ramana Maharishi says:-
Q by D:- Is not necessary to study the Vedas or at least the Prasthanatraya (the Bhagavad Gita,Dasopanishad and Brahma Sutras, all with commentaries)to ensure firm realization?
Ramana Maharishi:-No. Do you need all that to see yourself? All that is intellectual wealth, useful in explain doubts and difficulties if others rise them or if you yourself encounter them in the course of thinking. But to attain realization, all that is not necessary. You want fresh water to drink, but you do not require all the water of the river Ganges to quench your thirst. (Page 111/112 of Practical guide to know yourself c/e by A.R.N).
This surely indicates Sri, Ramana Maharishi indicates path of truth is independent path nothing to with the religion and scriptures.
Even the Upanishads clearly indicate:-
This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Ataman reveals Its own form. (Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20)
This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature. (3 –page-70 Mundaka Upanishad (Upanishads by Nikilanada)
Raman Maharishi explains (in page 111/112- practical guide to know yourself):-
Q: D: Is it not necessary to study the Vedas or at least Prastnatraya(Bagvad gita.Dasoponishad and Brahma Sutra all with commentaries) to ensure firm realization?
A: Bhagvan: - No. Do you need all that to see yourself? All that is intellectual wealth, useful in explain doubts and difficulties if others rise them if you yourself encounter them in course of thinking. But to attain realization, all that is not necessary. You want fresh water to drink, but you do not require all the water of the river Ganges to quench your quest.
Raman Maharshi said fortunate are the one who do not lose themselves in the labyrinths of philosophy. Bhagwan says: Take Vedanta, for instance: it speaks of 15 pranas the names and functions of it which the student is asked to commit memory. Will it not be sufficient if he thought only one prana does the whole work of maintaining the body? Again the antakaran is said to think, to desire, to will, to reason etc. Why all these details? Has anyone seen antakarana, or all these pranas? Do they really exist? They are conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis. Where do all these concepts end? Why should confusion created and then explained away? Fortunate is the man who does not lose himself in the labyrinths of philosophy, but goes straight to the source from which they all arise. (GURU RAMANA .By S.S Cohen -vii Danger of philosophy-Page -58-59)
The above passages further prove that: Self-Knowledge cannot be attained by study of the Vedas and intellectual understanding or by bookish knowledge. Therefore there is no use of studying the Vedas and other scriptures in order to acquire the non-dual wisdom. That is why Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sri, Sankara indicated that, the ultimate truth lies beyond religion, concept of god and scriptures.
They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Ataman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. (Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada)
Therefore, there is no use of taking strain to understand assimilate the conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis. There are more and more doubts and confusions, if one tries to understand and assimilate the ultimate truth through scriptures.
Why to follow the path of doubts and confusion by losing oneself in the labyrinths of philosophy, when one can realize the ultimate truth without them. By mentally tracing the source of the mind from where it rises and subsides one becomes aware of the fallacy of the mind, which rises as waking or dream and subsides as deep sleep. The mind raises form consciousness and subsides as consciousness. Therefore, there is a need for perfect understanding assimilation of non-dualistic or Advaitic truth.
There is no need to renounce the worldly life to get Self-Realization. Any householder can attain it if has the inner urge.
ASHTAVAKRA SAMHITA: - "The man of knowledge, though living like an ordinary man, is contrary to him and only those like him understand his state.