Wednesday, April 10, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion - 395 (dream)

Trev Light Bown :- You keep saying the dream state is same as real everyday existence. Anyone who has had a dream knows it is not same as waking state. The physical dream is always the same. Dream state is never same. Sleeping dream can be seen as instant materialisation of mind.

SK:- As per my conviction:-   

 How does one see various objects, scenes and persons during dreams? If the dream is experienced without the physical body, then what is it that experiences the dream? Therefore, there must be a formless witness of the dream world. This formless witness is the same witness that is witnesses this Waking experience also. Therefore the Waking experience and dream both are witnessed by one and only formless witness of which the seeker is not aware of.

 Since he considers the waking entity(ego)   as the self or witness and views and judges the world-view on the standpoint of the  waking entity or ego ,which is the false self, within the false experience(waking) . The formless witness can exist with or without the waking or dream. But the waking  or  dream ceases to exist, without the formless witness.

The gross Waking experience is merged into the mental experience in the sense that, when it is analyzed, it is found to exist inseparably in and as the mind alone. All "spiritual" planes are really mental: those who regard them as different or higher are deceiving themselves.

The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place; similarly the waking becomes unreal when the wisdom dawns. Therefore everything has to be grasped mentally, not argued on the intellectual point of view, which is limited to the false physical entity within the false experience.

The unreal is created out of real, and when one views and judges on the standpoint unreal (ego) then there is duality. When one is able to view and judge on the standpoint of real (Atman or soul, the innermost self ) then there is only non -duality. Therefore, when the wisdom dawns then there is neither duality, nor non-duality, only reality.

All these confusions will go on, until man thinks, he is an individual and apart from the world, and the world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards. Therefore, it is necessary to know the fact  that,  the real  self is not ego, but the real self is the soul.

If the soul is the real self then the seeker has to  stop viewing and judging the world-view on the standpoint of the physical self (ego) and one has to view and judge on the formless soul, the innermost self  to realize the fact that, the world along with man is an illusion.

The formless substance from which the illusion is created is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness . This Atman (soul)  is Brahman or ultimate reality. Thus no second thing exists  other than the soul or consciousness.  Thus there is no experience nor the experiencer in non-dual reality but only self-awareness.