Thursday, April 11, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -- 396 (The universe means form,time and space together)

Trev Light BOWN :_Also Satthosh. Formless consciousness is Gnani consciousness.
But I have investigated for many years and I do agree that the world and universe is a movement of energy that becomes matter or material. This is not so in dream sleep. I have proven this by being lucid within dream state and examining. The dream environment is thought images that disperse or evaporate by conscious will or a new scene maybe created.
  Now this world Universe is duality time bound but much more dense than dream state of thought. But as formless conscious being as witness, then material Universe world can appear dream like on awakening. But the world and Universe is obviously still there after awakening, it has not disappeared like a dream in sleep state disappears in the morning.

SK:- Dearest Trev,
The soul is the formless substance and the witness of the three states. If the formless witness witnesses the waking experience and its attention is fixed to the waking experience than the waking experience is experienced as reality. If the formless witness witnesses the dream and its attention is fixed to the dream than   the dream is experienced as reality. If the attention of the soul is on itself than it is called deep sleep in waking experience, which is the states of ignorance. If the soul consciously remains in its formless non-dual true nature in the midst of waking experience through wisdom it is called self-awareness. 

The three states are an object to the formless soul, is the subject.  The three states are state of ignorance. In all the three states the soul, the innermost self is in ignorance of its own formless non-dual true nature.   This forgetfulness is the cause of the ignorance. Ignorance is cause of experiencing the three states as reality. The three states are the cause of experiencing the individuality as reality.  Individuality is cause of experiencing the birth, life, death and the world as reality.  The three states are one in essence. In the realm of truth the three states are non-existent.  In self-awareness, the three states are non-existent because they are one in essence.   

What happens within the waking or what the individual experiences within the dream is nothing to do with the formless witness because the three states are mere illusion created out of consciousness. 

The seeker has to find out first:-  What is it that appears as the waking experience?  and What is that appears as a dream?’  and What is it that remains without waking or dream in deep sleep) . There is no need to know what happens within the waking or dream because the waking is as unreal as the dream. Thus one should judge the truth on the birth entity, which is not the self. The judgment has to be on the base of the birthless self. The birthless self is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.  

Consciousness is the root element of the universe. From consciousness the universe comes into existence. In the consciousness the universe resides. And into the consciousness the universe is dissolved.   Consciousness is the parent of all that is there is.  

The Atman or Soul, which is present in the form of consciousness, is the innermost self. Consciousness is the witness that experiences the action, the actor, and the world of separate things. It is like a light that illuminates everything in a theatre, revealing the master of ceremonies, the guests, and the dancers with complete impartiality. Even when they all depart, the light shines to reveal their absence.

What is not consciousness (formless) in waking, dream or deep sleep?  The waking and the dream ceases to exist without consciousness.  The seeker, seeking and his destination   all are one in essence.

There is only need to realize the whole universe in which we exist is created out of consciousness (soul or Atman), the innermost self.  On the standpoint innermost self, the universe is mere illusion created out of consciousness.  Thus on the ultimate standpoint, no second thing exists other than consciousness. Thus consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman.  The Brahman is God.   

It takes lot of time for any one to become soul-centric.   it depends on the capacity of the seeker  to grasp  and understand,assimilate what is said in the FP and IP blogs and postings. constant reading of the FP and IP blogs sends suggestion to subconscious gradually the subconscious start accepting the suggestion and drops reasoning on the base of the ego and starts  reasoning on the base of the base of the soul, the innermost self.     

The universe means form,time and space together. The form,time and space means universe. without the form,time and space there is no universe. perfect understanding what is what leads to non-dual self-awareness. --FORMLESS PATH