Saturday, April 20, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -406 ( How the world is real or unreal )

To say the universe is an illusion without first examining it and inquiring into its nature thoroughly is to delude oneself. This world is common to every one of us; therefore the seeker of truth must begin his inquiry with it. It is only after he has inquired into the nature of the objective world he realizes the universe which through ignorance appears as of diverse forms, is nothing else but the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness is absolutely free from all the limitations of human thought.

First the seeker must inquire into the nature of the three states to realize the three states are one in essence. One has to observe everything in the three states because all three states are one in essence and that essence is consciousness (soul or Atman) Atman is Brahman. The seeker should not shut his eyes to the nature of the three states, because they are a mere mirage created out of consciousness. 

Form, time and space are one is essence. That essence is consciousness. Consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahma. Brahman cannot be described, because description implies distinction. Brahman cannot be distinguished from any other than self.

The three states have no independent existence. The soul, which is present in the form of consciousness alone, has real existence. The three states are a mere illusion created out of consciousness. 

Without breaking away from religion and ancient traditions it is impossible to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Religion and tradition will keep one locked in the ignorance.--FORMLESS PATH

  • Tina Anderson It is not an is a place of relativity created by an unconditionally loving universe for us to come and experience ourselves amongst the contrast. it is very real 
  • Santthosh Kumaar Dear Tina Anderson, I respect your views and wisdom. As per my conviction :- The nature of the mind, which is present in the form of universe, is constant flux. The universe appears as waking or dream. Without being aware of the existence of the formless witness of the three states people think everything is in flux in the universe. 
    The permanent thing is the substance of the mind or universe. The formless substance is the witness of the mind (I) or universe. The formless substance and witness are one in essence. That essence is soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. The soul or consciousness is real and permanent. The universe is mere mirage created out of consciousness. 
    World is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

    Intellectuals approach was more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real.
    On the standpoint the soul, the innermost self the universe is mere illusion. The soul is the permanent all else mere illusion. Man and exist in the unreal universe and by discussing on the standpoint of the ego (waking entity) which is the false self within the false experience will leads to hallucination. 
    In self-awareness the body is not considered as body, ego is not considered as ego and the world is not considered as world because body, ego and the world too are nothing but consciousness. In self-awareness there is no flux. There is unity in diversity. Only in ignorance the illusion is experienced as reality. The nature of the illusion is impermanent and constant flux whereas the nature of the soul or consciousness is permanent and still.
  • Tina Anderson That is all a bit complicated for me. i saw the face of God and the message was simple. You cant get it Wrong. its just a game and it is our choice to come here and play. There is no hell. There is no judgement and there is no meaning other than what we give it. its just a game. this is backed up by others who have died and been revived. it really isn't that technical. And if i had some way to make you feel he unconditional love that is waiting back home when we return, nobody would ever be afraid again. Thank for allowing my input.
  • Santthosh Kumaar Everyone is not in a same level of understanding. Since your understanding is based on the waking entity(ego) what you say is correct but when the understanding based on the soul, the innermost self , there is nothing exists other than the soul, which is present in the form of spirit or consciousness. The soul is spirit and spirit is God.

    Bible says, that “God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24)”, 
    Yazur Veda also says, “Nathasya prathima asityasya nammahastha (32.3)”, God has no image and His name is Holy. 
    Mythreyi Upanishad 2:26 says, “Pashanalogamani moonmayavigrahashi pooja punarjanana bohahari mumusho tasmatati: swahdayarja nameva kuyarta hayacharam parihareta punarbhavaya”, all those who desire to have salvation without taking several births, should worship God in spirit and truth.

    Gospel Thomas logian 22:- Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, “These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom.”

    They said to him, “Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?”

    Jesus said to them, “When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female is female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom.”

    When one realizes mind (matter) and soul (spirit), the innermost self are one in essence there is no place for duality. Without duality the universe ceases to exist. Without the universe your existence within the universe is mere an illusion because there is scope for two because everything is created out of single stuff (Spirit or God).