There is a profound difference between egocentric and soul-centric discussions. The soul-centric discussions take place between matured and advanced fellow seekers which is free from all differences of points of views, judgments and argumentative debates unimportant subject matter.
The ego-centric discussion based on intellectuality it includes all different point of views, judgment and argumentative debates and un-important subject matter.
It is for every seeker who is in the path of truth to prove himself to know “What is truth, “and “What is untruth?” to assimilate the self -knowledge.
When one is unable to quench his spiritual thirst from his guru or teaching he has to look elsewhere to clear the cobwebs of his understanding and to move forward in his spiritual quest.
It is difficult for tradition-bound people to accept anything as truth other than what they inherited from then parental grooming. Only intense urge to know the truth and courage to accept the truth after verification with better understanding one will be able to drop all his accumulated dross, which is the main obstacle in self-realization.
Both modern science and religion offer hypotheses and theories but there is one vital difference--science begins with facts which it collects; religion begins with fancies. Science evolves its hypotheses from such facts, religion from fancies.
Science declares that oxygen combines with hydrogen to give water. And it also declares oxygen is protons or electrons. But in pursuit of truth the whole physical existence [universe or mind] is considered as illusion and science and their inventions, which are based on the physical existence is limited to physical existence. The truth is within but it is beyond the physical existence. The science demands physical proof. But the physical proof is part of the illusion. Hence science cannot go beyond physicality because the truth cannot be traced with laboratory conditions. Deeper Inquiry, analysis and reasoning is required if one wants to push its quest deeply enough.
Common people and primitive minds fall into faulty thinking through their inherited conditioning , such faulty thinking and reasoning makes them accept the experience of birth, life and death as reality ; taking what one sees through the senses as real, taking what is apparent obvious and superficial as true because it is less troublesome.
Many People adopt the attitude that what they know is truth. And what others say id false. This attitude makes them not to verify anything other then what they know. One needs to be rational, not merely logical. Logic is has its value only in physical plane.
As one advances towards spiritual plane he sees the logic underlying experience and becomes more rational. His reasoning is two-fold--implicit and explicit.
There is a need of facts of physical proof in scientific invention, whereas in pursuit of truth the proof has to be grasped mentally and realized. Therefore, the truth is realized only by few who take this mental pursuit. “Whatever facts revealed, which is un-contradictable has to be accepted as truth.
The truth based on the formless soul/consciousness is worthwhile; without it, one has something else, not truth. Most people refuse to venture into pursuit of truth; because they do not want to go into the root of things.
The seeker of truth has to study, inquire and reason in the beginning of the pursuit of truth, because it is absolutely necessary in pursuit of truth.
One has to know the true self is not physical but the formless spirit. The spirit or soul or the self is in the form of consciousness. Consciousness gives one the awareness of the three states.
The ignorance of the true self is the cause of experiencing the duality as reality. The ignorance vanishes through realization of the true Self, which is the soul/consciousness.
The true the Self does not lie in our body, in our brain, or our ego, but it is the essence of the dual and non-dual experiences, which appears as waking dream and disappears as deep sleep.
Thought and thinker are reality within the universe. The thinker and the thought exist within the universe. The man and his experience of the universe is reality within the waking experience. The waking experience is mere illusion on the ultimate standpoint. Therefore, the individual experiences are part of the illusion. Thus thought and the thinker are part of the illusion.
Positive and negative thoughts and the thinker are made of same material. Whether one thinks rightly or wrongly he is thinking as person. The thoughts will not rise without the form. Without the form there are neither thoughts nor the thinker. Thus positive or negative thinking or right or wrong thinking are part of the physical existence and nothing to do with ultimate truth. Experience is prior to thought. Only in waking or dream one gets thought. Therefore one has to mentally trace the source of the waking or dream experience in order to realize the waking experience is as unreal as dream.
Only in religion and yogic path one has to follow and practice. Everyone thinks he has to follow some guru or god men. But all these methods are full of frustrations and give no real satisfaction. Reality has no method. Illusion has many methods, many problems and many concepts. To overcome illusion, or concepts, one should know the source of the mind and from where does this mind arise? “When the mind is there the universe is there. Absent of mind absent of universe. Absent of universe is absent of duality. Absent of duality is absent of thoughts. Thus until one becomes aware of what is mind and what is the substance of the mind it is impossible to assimilate non-dual truth.
To know the non-dual Reality, deeper thinking is required. The thinking faculty ceases and becomes still when it reaches the source of the mind. One has to realize the waking entity is false self within the false experience from the ultimate standpoint.
Where there is no experience then there is no duality where there no duality then there is no second thing exist other than the self-awareness. Therefore seeker has to indulge in deeper self-search and trace and overcome the obstacles. For the sincere and serious seekers the inner grace will guide until the ignorance vanishes and he becomes aware of the fact that the diversity [universe or Illusion] is mere mirage created out of consciousness [Atman].