Saturday, April 27, 2013

Adyatmic discussion -- 411***



Trev light Bown:- Parveen is talking about the teachings of Yogananda. Are you saying this man is mistaken as he has lived a life of Christ.You deny Krya Yoga and Babaji so what is your view on Yogananda.? I myself either agree or disagree. But I am hearing more truth from you than Yogananda. 

SK: -I respect Parmhansa Yogananda.   Parmahansa Yogananada (PY) was a grand master of yoga.  His 180 lessons YSS (India) SRF (Rest of the world is a great contribution . He has covered almost all subjects  most of it scientifically. Anyone who reads his book autobiography of a yogi  definitely attracted towards Indian spirituality. To know more about Yogaananda  one has to read the autobiography  of the Western yogi by Swami  Kriyananda(direct disciple of PY (passed away a few weeks back.   Most people never knew about Babaji  till about 30 years back. Now days most of the crooks in northern India claim  they had Darshan   of Babaji and they spoke to Babaji in Kumbha Mela  and they started cheating people.   

A few years back I visited Yagoda Ashram in Ranchi the Indian headquarters of Yogananada, I met some senior well educated  sanyasis  who was practicing for last 30 years and more.  They said  they are still waiting for the day.  Most of the people when they read about Babaji start hallucinating to get the same experience of PY . Anyway those who are attracted to yogic path Yogananda’s path is the best path.

The path of wisdom is nothing to do with path of yoga. Yoga can yield only duality, because everything that one can do or practice becomes a vanishing 'known.' It yields relative truth based on imagination, which is true from a dualistic perspective. One  non-dualistic perspective the duality is mere an illusion.   

BRIH. UPANISAD: page 32. "Yoga does not yield truth or liberation.  

The illuminations gained from yoga or by trance states are always temporary. 

BRIHAD UP. Page 133 1st para : - even yoga cannot give perfect concentration and that the only way to gain it is philosophical realization. 

Mandukya Up: _  yoga can no more succeed than the ocean can be emptied with a blade of grass. 

Sage Sankara says : -  Yoga is not the means of liberation. (P -132-133 of his commentary on Brihadaranyakopanishad).  

Mandukya ( p. 231): -  Those that want ultimate truth Brahman will not practice control of mind.   

As per the scriptures  the three "Ashrams" or stages in life were originally intended for three grades of intelligence thus:

        Religion: low intellects had to do 'karmas' works, ritual actions, chanting of mantras and indulging in Bajans and prayers etc.

        Middle intellects:  Yoga: taking sanyasa and wearing  yellow robes, going to the caves, ashrams etc. 

        High intellects: Philosophy: who wanted truth are concerned with no external rites or sanyasa but depend solely on intelligent inquiry for their path. 

All paths are meant for different types of mindset.  Thus one has to choose whatever path he is attracted gives him satisfaction. Mixing up one path with another leads to all sorts of confusion. The path truth or wisdom is nothing to do with devotional and yogic or any other path.  

Friday, April 26, 2013

Jesus’s version of Nonduality or Advaita***




The Bible says: ~ “God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24)”, 

The Spirit is the root element of the universe. The Spirit is present in the form of the Soul, the innermost Self. The Soul is present in the form of the  consciousness. From the Spirit, the universe comes into existence. In the Spirit the universe resides. And into the Spirit the universe is dissolved. The Spirit is the parent of all that is there is. 

Jesus said: ~ Do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you. (Matthew -7:6) 

He meant Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana (pearls) should not be given to the ignorant populace (pigs).
 

Jesus really say? To the multitude, he said, “God is in heaven; try to go there,” and to reach that end he said to overcome certain temptations and sufferings.


To his followers, he said, “God is everywhere; try to see Him.” and gave explanations to that effect.

To the close circle of apostles he said, “God is in me and in you too,” and actually revealed this to them.

Why did Jesus say different things? Owing to the time and the persons, according to their readiness to listen and understand. What Jesus meant was to leave all and follow him; that means to know him, see him, and experience him.

The teachings that are being followed by Christians are not the real teachings that Christ gave. The priests have altered his words, added to his teachings and spoiled them.


Jesus said: ~ Seek and ye shall find. Knock the doors shall opened to you. 
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Gospel Thomas logian 22:- Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, “These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom.”

They said to him, “Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?”

Jesus said to them, “When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female is female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom.”

Santthosh Kumaar: ~ This above passage is Jesus’s version of Nonduality or Advaita. When one realizes mind (matter) and the Soul (Spirit), the innermost Self, are one, in essence, there is no place for the duality. Without the duality, the universe ceases to exist. Without the universe, your existence within the universe is mere an illusion because there is scope for two because everything is created out of single stuff. That single stuff is the consciousness or Spirit. 

Till one thinks he is an individual separate from this world he remains in the realm of the duality. The duality is the product of ignorance. When the Advaitic wisdom dawns, then the ignorance vanishes. When the ignorance vanishes, then the duality never remains as a reality. 

God is not physical. God is present in the form of the Spirit. The Spirit is the cause of the Universe and the Spirit itself is uncaused.
 

On the standpoint of the Spirit, the form, time, space and name are mere an illusion. The Spirit alone is real and all else is an illusion. In reality, the spirit (God) matter (the world in which we exist) are one.
 






Love is not the means of the Self –realization.*****


People think love is the means to Self-realization,  but they are unaware of the fact that, love and hate are made of the same stuff. Love is not the means of the Self –realization.

Love is very much necessary in practical life within the practical world. Love implies duality.  Whatever is of duality is a falsehood. Thus, love is the reality within the falsehood.  Lover and love cease to exist in reality because the duality is not a reality. 

The experience of practical life within the practical world is a reality within the waking experience, but the waking experience itself is merely an illusion created out of the consciousness. Thus, lover, love, and the world are one, in essence. Thus, the path of love is a religious path because religion is the path of individuality.  The ‘Self’ is not an individual to love or hate.  In reality, there is no second thing exist other than the consciousness.  Thus, there is no duality whereas love implies duality. The ‘Self is the fullness of the consciousness.   The Soul, the innermost Self, is the formless, timeless and spaceless existence.

The humanism is limited to practical life within the practical world. The path of love is the path for humanity, therefore, it is the individualized path. Thus, the path of love is limited to the physical structure, it cannot transport one to the ultimate end.  Thus, the seeker has to understand the fact that, from the standpoint of the Soul, the innermost Self, the practical life, and the practical world are merely an illusion.

Meher Baba said: - To love God as he ought to be loved, we must love for God and die for God, knowing that the goal of life is to know God and find him as our own Self.

To realize God is to attain liberation from the bondage of illusion. 

Live only to find and realize your true identity with your beloved God.

The energy which is expended in mere thinking, taking or writing is like steam, which escapes through the whistle of railway engine

That is why the sages have always insisted on practice rather than theory. This applies particularly to those who want to know and realize God.  
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~ It means one has to know and realize his innermost Self is God and identifying it as his true identity to find liberation from the bondage of the illusion of birth, life, death and the world (duality).   The goal of our life is to find and realize our identity with our beloved God, which is our innermost Self.  :~Santthosh Kumaar 


Know the mystery of the ‘I’ and come out of the intoxication of the ‘I’***




Having food or no food, Having sex or no sex, wearing clothes or being naked does not qualify you to get self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

Know the mystery of the ‘I’. Come out of the intoxication of the ‘I’. Till you remain in the grip of the ‘I’, you are blocked from the realizing the truth, which is beyond the ‘I’.

The ‘I’ hides the truth of the whole. The realization of ultimate truth or Brahman is possible only when the seeker inquiries into the nature of the ‘I’. The ‘I’ is present in the form of the Mind.   The Mind is present in the form of the universe and the universe appears as waking or dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (nonduality). The one which appears as the duality and disappears as nonduality is the Soul, which is present in the form of the consciousness. 

Do not try to know who you are? By inquiring ‘Who am ‘I’,   you will never reach the ultimate end of understanding. ‘Who am ‘I’? is only helpful in the beginning on later stages it is inadequate to realize the truth, which is beyond the form, is only helpful in the beginning on later stages, it is inadequate to realize the truth, which is beyond the form, time, and space.   

Try to find out what is this ‘I’ which appears and disappears. What is it that knows this appearance and disappearance of the ‘I’?

The Bhagavad Gita: ~ The permanent is always there, only the transient ‘I’ comes and goes. (2.18)


That is why Ashtavakra Gita 16:10:~ If you desire liberation, but you still say "mine," If you feel the ‘Self’ is the ‘I’, You are not a wise man or a seeker. You are simply a man who suffers. 

Sunday, April 21, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion --410 (Sage Sri,Sankara's Advaita)***



Trev Light Bown : -  Can you post some reading by Sankara? 

SK: - Without Sage, Sri, Sankara there is no Advaita (non-duality). Sage Sri,  Sankara's rational   Advaita  is the greatest gift to the humanity.   Since it was mixed up with orthodoxy there is a lot of confusion. I am highlighting all the obstacles, which is blocking one from realizing the ultimate truth or Brahman. There are so many non-dualistic masters of the east and also from the west   who expound Advaitic or non-dualistic knowledge but none of them are helpful to reach the ultimate end. 

Swami Vivekananda aptly described Sankara’s Advaita as the fairest flower of philosophy that any country in any age has produced. 

Most of the pundits are egoic and they try to snub others who question them.  They think they are unquestionable authority.  They quote the citation from the scripture as proof without verifying the validity.  All punditry is a great obstacle in realizing the Advaitic truth expounded by the Sri, Sankara and Sage Sri, Gaudapada. 
 
One finds lots of differences between Advaita preaching and practice. There is a need to bifurcate religion, the concept of god and scriptures from Advaitic philosophy to assimilate the essence of Advaita.    
Sri, Sankara says in Brahma Sutras: that Brahman is the cause of the world, whereas in Mandukya he denies it. This is because he says that at the lower stage of understanding, the former teaching must be given, for people will get frightened as they cannot understand how the world can be without a cause, but to those in a higher stage, the truth of non-causality can be revealed.

Sage Sri, Sankara himself has warned us not to use ambiguous words, and to practice semantic analysis in his book "Definition of one's own Self. (" Page 199, v. 24 of "Sankara's Selected Works)

Sri, Sankara founded his Advaita Vedanta either on reason independent of sruti or on sruti confirmed by reason."   Sri, Sankara's commentary on the Mandukya Upanishad, II, 1:  This (the unreality of duality) is borne out by the Srutis ... But it is possible also to show the unreality of the object world even from pure reasoning, and this second chapter is undertaken for that purpose.

 Sri, Sankara himself had often said that his philosophy was based on Sruti, or revealed scripture.  This may be because Sri, Sankara addressed the ordinary man, who finds security in the idea of causality and thus with the idea of God—and Revelation is indispensable to prove the latter.  He believed that those of superior intelligence, have no need of this idea of divine causality, and can therefore dispense with Sruti and arrive at the truth of Non-Dualism by pure reason. 

When Sri, Sankara says clearly, the universe is not real. He says that Brahman and Atman are one. The ultimate and the Absolute Truth is the Self, which is one though appearing as many different individuals. The individual has no reality. Only the Self is Real; the rest, mental and physical are but passing appearances, then it indicates the form (waking/duality/mind) is unreal the formless is real (soul/spirit/self/FW).  Therefore, only Atman is real because there is no second thing other than Atman.

When sage Sri, Sankara says: world is unreal. He never said body is unreal. He would have said only birth and death is   unreal but he did not say that, he said the world is unreal.   He meant   the world including the body, because the body and the world appear together and disappear together (waking/dream).  Then we have to think, what remain without the body and the world as reality. How can the birth, life, death, rebirth, and reincarnation, which take place in an unreal world (waking/dream), can be true.   The one, which is aware of the birth, life death, rebirth and reincarnation (illusion/unreal), is formless reality, which is the true self/true identity.  The formless self is your true identity, which is birthless and deathless but it is the witness of the birth, life and death and rebirth (illusion/unreal).

On the standpoint of identity the birth, life, death, rebirth and reincarnation theory is part of the illusion.  The body cannot reincarnate, the body and the world are created out of the same formless stuff. Until one views and judges on the base of flesh, bone and blood (five elements), he will not be able to grasp the non-dualistic or Advaitic  truth.  Thus, one must know on what standpoint we are not born and we do not die thoroughly, just by hearsay views, it will not lead anyone to the non-dual destination.

The  Seeker has to learn to view and judge on the standpoint of Formless witness (or soul or consciousness). Then he will be never having any confusion.  When one thinks deeply then only the inner revelation starts and start burning the dross (confusion/doubts). A well-directed inquiry and sound reasoning will lead one towards non-dual destination and it will start yielding fruit and start revealing, when he starts thinking very deeply.  This is the inner process every serious seeker experiences.  The inner dialogue will start and one will start getting answers from the inner core of his existence, and he becomes aware of the fact of what is real and what is unreal and he will be able to mentally reject the unreal nature of the self in the midst of duality. 

He also clearly mentions that:

The path of religion, theory of karma, the path of yoga and the path of wisdom were intended for different classes of people. The wisdom is for the advanced seekers of truth. It deals with the nature of the ultimate Truth and Reality. It is meant for superior aspirants who have an inner urge to know the truth and it is not for those who are immersed in earthly desires.

Thus we have to know the fact that the Buddha, Goudpada and Sri, Sankara are not only reformers but also the greatest scientists. From there original thesis has been lost in the labyrinths of philosophy and mutilated by pundits and orthodoxy, it becomes very difficult to understand and assimilate the wisdom expounded by the great masters. In addition, the conservativeness of the orthodox scholars will not allow any research other than playing with the words, which suits the mass mind sets, because of their egocentric outlook.
Sage Sri, Sankara says in Vivekachudamani:- 56. Neither by Yoga, nor by Sankhya, nor by work, nor by learning, but by the realization of one's identity with Brahman is Liberation possible, and by no other means.

58. Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill in expounding the Scriptures, and likewise erudition - these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment to the scholar, but are no good for Liberation.

59. The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.

61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utters the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realization one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

63. Without causing the objective universe to vanish and without knowing the truth of the Self, how is one to achieve Liberation by the mere utterance of the word Brahman ? — It would result merely in an effort of speech.

64. Without killing one’s enemies, and possessing oneself of the splendor of the entire surrounding region, one cannot claim to be an emperor by merely saying, ‘I am an emperor’.

65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted arguments.

66. Therefore the wise should, as in the case of disease and the like, personally strive by all the means in their power to be free from the bondage of repeated births and deaths.

67. The question that thou hast asked today is excellent, approved by those versed in the Scriptures, aphoristic, pregnant with meaning and fit to be known by the seekers after Liberation.

People who are yearning for spiritual truth will not find it through intellectualism. Intellectual truth is individual truth. Love implies duality and love is individual feelings within the falsehood. Love is necessary and valuable in the States of ignorance but it is not the means to acquire wisdom.  Love is a religious tool to lead life in practical world.  And Religious truth is individual truth and it is not a universal truth because the religion is based on individuality. 

The karma theory is reality only for those who believe their present physical identity (ego) as real, and world as reality. When the Sri, Sankara declares the world itself is an illusion, and Brahman is real, then what value the karma theory has when the world is an illusion, because man is part and parcel of the illusory world. Therefore, one has to view and judge the three states on the standpoint of the formless soul, the innermost self in order to overcome the duality, which he is experiencing it as reality.  The individuality is the reality within the illusory world. Therefore, all the theories created within the illusion on the base of false entity, within the false experience, has to be the part and parcel of the illusion.  Thus it is necessary to realize the fact that Atman is the true self and all else is illusion, to overcome the illusory concept of the cycle of birth, life and death.  Thus to understand and assimilate Sri, Sankara’s Advaitic truth, the seeker has to do his own homework soulcentric reasoning without mixing religion, scriptures, the theories, concept of god and yoga.

Sage  Sri Sankara  says in Aparokshanubhuti:-   88. When the whole universe, movable and immovable, is known to be Atman, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the body is Atman?

   89. O enlightened one, pass your time always contemplating on Atman while you are experiencing all the results of Prarabdha; for it ill becomes you to feel distressed.

   90. The theory one hears of from the scripture, that Prarabdha does not lose its hold upon one even after the origination of the knowledge of Atman, is now being refuted.

   91. After the origination of the knowledge of Reality, Prarabdha verily ceases to exist, inasmuch as the body and the like become non-existent; just as a dream does not exist in waking.

   92. That Karma which is done in a previous life is known as Prarabdha (which produces the present life). But such Karma cannot take the place of Prarabdha (for a man of knowledge), as he has no other birth (being free from ego).

   93. Just as the body in a dream is superimposed (and therefore illusory), so is also this body. How could there be any birth of the superimposed (body), and in the absence of birth (of the body) where is the room for that (i.e., Prarabdha) at all ?

   94. The Vedanta texts declare ignorance to be verily the material (cause) of the phenomenal world just as earth is of a jar. That (ignorance) being destroyed, where can the universe subsist ?

   95. Just as a person out of confusion perceives only the snake leaving aside the rope, so does an ignorant person see only the phenomenal world without knowing the reality?


   96. The real nature of the rope being known, the appearance of the snake no longer persists; so the substratum being known, the phenomenal world disappears completely.

   97. The body also being within the phenomenal world (and therefore unreal), how could Prarabdha exist ? It is, therefore, for the understanding of the ignorant alone that the Shruti speaks of Prarabdha.

   98. “And all the actions of a man perish when he realizes that (Atman) which is both the higher and the lower”. Here the clear use of the plural by the Shruti is to negate Prarabdha as well.

   99. If the ignorant still arbitrarily maintain this, they will not only involve themselves into two absurdities but will also run the risk of forgoing the Vedantic conclusion. So one should accept those Shrutis alone from which proceeds true knowledge.

The above proves that the karma is reality only on the base of false self, where one thinks body and the universes as reality. When one becomes aware of the fact that, the true self is formless soul, then the karma becomes part and parcel of illusion.   My point is that, if one accepts the karma theory as reality, he will never be able to come out of the ignorance. And ignorance makes him believe the cycle of birth, life and death as reality.  Thus the freedom which one is seeking will remain distant dream. For the one who accepts the birth life and death as reality, Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is impossible.

Sage Sri Sankara endeavored towards establishing Vedic religion overthrowing Buddhism. But even he was not able to avoid the influence of Buddhism. The influence of the revolutionary atmosphere of Buddhism has reappeared in the Advaita of Sage Sri, Sankara. His inability to revive Vedic religion that flourished before the Buddhist revolution in its pure form is discernible
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Many thinkers since his time have said about sage Sri Sankara that he made use of many important tenets of Buddhism and presented to the people the very Buddhism in the guise of Vedic religion. Though the Vedic religion represented by Sri Sage Sankara is like a conglomeration of many things he deserves the credit of having turned the Hindu mind which was once averse to Vedas -the root of Hinduism, towards the Vedas once again. For this the followers of Vedic religion should be grateful to Sage Sri Sankara.

The brilliance shown by Sage Sri Sankara, a man of wonderful genius, a matchless speaker and an extra-ordinary dialectician is really a great spectacle in history.