Dualist sages make God as an object whereas God is the subject***.

Dualist sages say:~  God cannot exist without attributes. Then they are making God as an object whereas God is the subject. Attributes can only be seen in an objective world. Causality appears in the duality, but when one goes deeper into the matter even there the causality disappears. 

So long as one is in the realm of duality, one has to explain how or why one thing came from another, and contradictory views are expressed. But when a Gnani shows there is no second, there is no production, and the contradictions do not arise at all, when the ultimate thing is consciousness alone. Thus,  the soul or the consciousness is  the ultimate truth or Brahman.

The dualist’ arguments are based on a false self (ego or a waking entity) and the  false experience (mind or  waking or dream or universe)    to show the weakness of the position of dualistic view point.  They are at their wits end to explain. 

Existence cannot be a cause and effect at the same time, from the point of view of the dualist, but deeper self-search shows the Existent is no-two and causality can’t rise at all. Dualistic theory says that whatever was in the cause was also in the effect. They say that the gold brick, the gold medal, the gold ornaments ~are in the seed, the gold. Deeper self-search reveals the fact that, if cause and effect are one what is the difference between the two?

People who hold some god men and saint as god and glorifying them mentally is the greatest hindrance in the pursuit of truth.   The form and names are part of the illusion.  Thus by worshiping illusory beliefs and symbols are as good as worshiping the illusion. The wisdom will not dawn by worshiping the guru or god. Sentimentally getting involved with the guru, or saint or god men means, accepting   his body with the name as reality and also he is accepting his body with the name as self.   Therefore, such people are still not matured enough for self –knowledge.  The inner grace will not arise if one is stuck with his idea that, by worshiping some god guru or god men or saint, because it keep him in the realm of individuality.   If one remains in the realm of individuality he will remain egocentric.   If one remains in the realm of egocentricity he will never be able to get Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana   or self –knowledge. 

All logical conclusions can be applied only in the realm of illusory duality.  All the physical enjoyment is nothing to do with the self, which is ever formless.  One cannot experience the self because it is prior to any experience.   Thus, all the claims of fruit enjoyment are part of the mirage.  In reality, the individual ceases to exist to enjoy the fruits of his action.

Mango seed cannot produce apple tree. Similarly false seed sowed in the subconscious as true seed can only produce falsehood.  Thus verification is necessary before sowing of the seed, to get the right fruit. By accepting, and accumulating knowledge without verification, is allowing all sorts of weed- growth which obstructs the realization of the self, which is beyond form, time and space.     

One cannot change circumstances of life by following spiritual laws because there is no law in the realm of the formless spirit (soul).  The laws imply duality. The duality is not reality from ultimate standpoint.  The happiness, misery and the world are one in essence.  That essence is consciousness. By realizing the essence as innermost self leads to Self-awareness.  In self-awareness the physical based happiness, misery and the world are absent because there is only oneness.  

Truth is hidden in everything and everywhere as formless substance and witness of the dual (waking or dream) and non-dual (deep sleep) experiences. To be enlightened is to know the formless substance and the witness of the three states as ultimate truth.

The formless substance and witness is the soul or spirit or consciousness.  The mind or the universe or waking (experience of diversity) rises from the formless soul and subsides back as the soul or consciousness. Thus, the soul is the source the mind, which is present as the universe. Universe rises as waking or dream subsides as deep sleep.

The three states are unreal on the standpoint of the formless soul or consciousness, the innermost self. Thus, the self is neither the waking entity (ego) nor the self is the dream entity but the self is the formless soul or consciousness, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states. Therefore, there is a need to learn to view and judge the three states on the base of soul as self, in order to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman. 

Pursuit of truth is to know the facts of one’s true existence. To know the facts is to know the Truth. Most people are unaware of the fact that, physical existence or the  universe  is mere mirage and live in a delusion Realization of  Ultimate Truth is the Gateway to freedom from experiencing duality as reality.  Therefore there is a need to realize the fact that, the formless soul or consciousness is the innermost self, and soul or consciousness is the ultimate reality or Brahman. There is no Truth without formless soul or consciousness.

The Advaitic Wisdom is the direct means to the attainment of self -realization, it is necessary to keep in mind the means-end relation. The tool that one chooses must be suitable and appropriate to the end, which he wants to attain. It is not the case that through any tool any end can be attained. On the contrary, what tools has to be chosen and how far it is relevant and appropriate to the end we have in view, must be considered from the point of view of the nature of the end which is to be attained.

The tool must be warranted by the end. In other words, the choice of the tool as well as its suitability and appropriateness is determined by the end. This point must be borne in mind in understanding and assimilation of non-dualistic  truth.

Mistaking one thing for another or superimposing the attributes of one thing on another is due to ignorance. Not knowing the real nature of the Self which is non-dual, which is existence, knowledge and infinitude, which is free from attributes, which is free from activity, which is neither an agent nor an enjoyer, the ignorance is superimposed on it. 

The ignorance is cause of experiencing the illusion as reality.  Ignorance is the root cause of our bondage. So in order to put an end to our bondage and attain liberation from experiencing the illusion as reality, ignorance which is the root cause has to be destroyed; and ignorance can be destroyed only by attaining the Self-knowledge, by  discriminating it from the illusion. Wisdom is the means by which Self -Realization is desired to be attained. Self-realization is the highest end of man since it destroys the root of the ignorance, the cause of the entire universe.  

Through deeper self-search one has to eradicate the foundational ignorance, Self -Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana  alone is the means to the attainment of liberation from illusion. Only Self -knowledge  or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana destroys the ignorance.

Brahman cannot be reached by any path other than that of reason and unless the reason is sharper than the ‘Edge of a razor***

The Self –Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is the goal of the true seeker.  Self-knowledge is the end of all egocentric knowledge. 

Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana was declared by the Indian sages in the past has to be mentally excavated from the labyrinths of philosophy. So many conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis and different idea of truth and interpretations. All these concepts and ideas are never ending process. 

The seeker of truth need not take the path of doubt and confusion, which takes him nowhere.  Fortunate is the seeker who does not lose himself in the labyrinths of these theoretical philosophies.  By perfect understanding of ‘what is what’ leads to non-dual self-awareness. The seeker has to behave in a   normal and sane way and silently reflect on the subject constantly. 

There is no body, no ego and no experience of the world in the realm of truth,  because the body and the world are one in essence. That essence is consciousness. 

  The one who has the firm conviction that, he is an individual separate from the world and world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards is egocentric.  And he is unfit to grasp the ultimate truth or Brahman. 

The seeker has to trace the source of the mind or universe to realize the fact that, mind and its formless substance and the source are one in essence.   

The truth is hidden within the mind. The mind is in the form of the universe.  It requires deeper self-search mental excavation, the removal of the ignorance, which is the cause of experiencing the illusion or duality as reality.

Grasping the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by illusion or waking or universe, is to be attained through soulcentric reasoning, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted egocentric arguments. 

People think the self-knowledge is very difficult to achieve or understand. Self-knowledge which has to be acquired carefully and gradually, through deeper self-search.

In the past, spirituality was treated not as a separate subject but as a part of religion, but it is not so. Religion is based on the form and spirituality is based on formless. Therefore, spirituality is nothing to with religion.  Spirituality is a rational enquiry regarding all that is known to exist. Everyone, each to the extent to which one's reasoning power admits, is by nature free to exercise this faculty, at whatever stage one may be. One is able to devote himself exclusively to a pursuit of the highest Truth, by means of reason.

In the ancient time, religious, Yogic or mystic disciplines, which were not an end in itself, considered to be a means for self-realization. But such discipline is almost impossible task for the modern man to adopt. Day by day modern man is becoming aware of the fact that religion and yoga are nothing to do with the pursuit of truth. .

 The modern mindset is pre-eminently scientific owing to the great progress that science has made. And the best method of freeing the one from his inaccurate ways of thinking is to imbue him as fully as possible with the scientific spirit. It is therefore only one who possesses a clear knowledge of its methods and results i.e., who is able to make reason the highest means of enquiry that would be fit for self-knowledge

Vedanta itself admits its highest Truth that is Atman or Brahman cannot be reached by any path other than that of reason and unless the reason is sharper than the ‘Edge of a razor'.

Reason on the true base is the highest means of attaining Self- knowledge or Brahma Gnanan or Atma Gnana.  Religion, theology, mystic practice and yoga are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom.  Absence of reason is the absence of wisdom.

Adyathmic discussion --357

Trev Light Bown:- I have no argument with the above. But you are saying no Guru found truth from a Master/disciple. Papaji, and Mooji. Are you denying that they are awake. A true Guru does not impart book knowledge or accumulated knowledge but points to it within the disciple. Ok, it is no use to myself as I prefer to find out.

But for you to say someone else is not awake is the game of comparison. True self awakening to formless consciousness has no concern about other teachers or Guru but accepts them as the same space as self. 

S.K:- Thank you dearest Trev. very kind of you. I appreciate about your views and opinion. I respect everyone’s views and wisdom.   I speak only about my own conviction. I never indulge in rating the gurus.  In deeper self-search whatever is reveled I  post it to help the fellow seeker. there is no need for  a guru or any teaching if the seeker is sharp enough to grasp  by finding the truth of the universe(whole).

Egocentric teachings are nothing to do with Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.   Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is not accumulated knowledge.

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A Gnani do not consider himself as wise and others are less wise. No one is wise or less wise in in pursuit of truth. The inner revolution starts within and ends within. Gnani is neither a scriptural scholar nor he is a philosopher.  Gnani neither a teacher nor he has any teaching.  He silently works and helps the fellow seekers inspiring them guiding them towards inner reality in his own way. The scholar will remain as scholars and philosophers will remain as philosophers and intellectual remains as intellectuals arguing on their point of view. Gnani never propagates any philosophy because philosophy is nothing to do with pursuit of truth but he points out, the obstacles, which is blocking everyone’s realization.

There is no need to   compared or condemned any one. The wisdom will not dawn by comparing and condemning any gurus. FP BLOGS highlights the obstacles which are blocking one from realizing the ultimate truth or Brahman.  There is no compulsion for anyone to accept what I say in my blogs.  

Opinions belong to scholasticism, not to Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana has no use for opinions.

If one has a belief, it is because somebody else believes it; or the majority believes it--or it is his   own experience. Is it religious authority or religious sanction or is it based upon a feeling of certainty? Does one believe it merely because it works well or is it true? The feeling is based on the ego whereas the ultimate truth is based on the soul. Thus whatever we discuss in the realm of duality has no meaning in non-dualistic reality.    Nearly all people want their own imagination, not truth. 

One need not doubt that mystics saw God or Goddesses in their vision. That they saw visions may he an undeniable fact. But the question is “Was what they saw the Truth? 

They no doubt had such vision but they never stopped to inquire if their visions be true. One has to take all the facts and then find out which is the truth through deeper self-search.  The seeker of truth has to collect as much evidence as possible, even contradictory, and then proceed to examine all of it and Analyze, how far is it true.   

Gaudapada’s rational exposition of Advaita: - that whatever is seen, whether external or internal, whether by the ordinary persons or yogis, is unreal. 

Shruti has directly denied manifoldness in Brahman. The non-dual cause being an established fact, how could the phenomenal universe be different from It?   

The Shruti has condemned (the belief in variety) in the words, “The person who”, being deceived by Maya, “sees variety in this (Brahman), goes from death to death”. 

Inasmuch as all beings are born of Brahman, the supreme Atman, they must be understood to be verily Brahman. 

The Shruti has clearly declared that Brahman alone is the substratum of all varieties of names, forms and actions. 

The Shruti in the form of the Brihadaranyaka has declared that this Atman, which is the Self of all, is verily Brahman.

Sage Sri, Sankara’s commentary:-  Page 489: "The knower of Brahman wears no signs.  Page 500 asks in effect "Tell us what you know, show it, and let us examine it under the mental microscope." It means we must bring notions and beliefs out of vagueness into clearness. It also criticizes the mystics who claim superior knowledge but who cannot communicate it for purposes of verification.

On page 482: On Gnani: "The knower of Brahman wears no signs. Gives up the insignia of a monk's life,…his signs are not manifest, nor his behavior."  

Consciousness” is the only reality and there is no second thing exist other than consciousness. That consciousness through its illusory nature   appears as the whole universe. But this is just the play of consciousness, even as an actor in a drama remains unchanged throughout although consciousness   plays different roles. 

The seemingly obvious duality between consciousness (soul) and universe (mind) does not actually exist because both are one in essence. If only one transcend this phenomenal illusion and experience of duality with consciousness, he would then be not the individual with his experience of the world but one with it--the Absolute, infinite Reality. 

When the soul is in its formless true nature, misery, suffering, fear, desire and hatred --none of these would bind it. If it is in ignorance, then of course he is bound by shackles of experiencing, the illusory “birth, life, death and the world as reality ".But actually there is nothing other than the soul or consciousness, the innermost "SELF'.

So in the absence of any such thing as dual, who binds whom and what is this bondage itself? When one is delivered from this bondage he attains self-awareness. In self-awareness is complete freedom from experiencing illusory duality as reality.

The experience of birth, life, death and the world is the reality within the waking experience. The innermost   Self is nothing to do with the experience of birth, life death because it is birthless. The one, which is born, lives and dies is in the world is the waking entity. Waking entity is not the self.  The self is that, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states without the physical apparatus.   The experience of birth, life, death and the world (waking) is an object to the formless subject (the soul, the innermost self).  Thus the object (mind or the universe or waking) is mere illusion on the standpoint of the formless subject (soul). 

Man has a firm conviction that he is an individual separate from the world and world existed prior to him and he is born in in it afterwards.  This conviction makes him remain in ignorance. And ignorance makes him accept the illusion as reality.  Thus he is caught up in the web of illusion experiencing the birth, life, death and the world as reality. 

What is this universe (samsara), what is this illusion to the formless soul or consciousness, the innermost self?  Consciousness and the universe both are one in essence ultimately. 

Only people who are stuck to the reality of the universe think the body as body, ego as ego and the world as world.  It never strikes in them the waking experience in which they exist along with their world also as unreal as a dream.   

The dream becomes unreal when waking takes place and the waking becomes unreal when waking entity gets wisdom and realizes it is not the self but the self is the formless witness (soul) of the three states.  The consciousness is within the three states as their formless substance and it is apart from the three states as their formless witness.  It is apart because it is not and entity or identity within the three states. 

The person, who stamped their feet on the ground to refute to show the world, is real, ignore that in a dream he would do exactly the same--stamp his dream foot on the ground and assert it to be real. 

When wisdom dawns, the soul, the innermost self, wakes up in its formless non dual true nature in the midst of duality (waking). For a Gnani the body, ego and the universe are a mere mirage created out of consciousness. 

When the universe (mind) is considered not different from the consciousness (soul), which is the innermost self, then there is the division of form, time and space.  When form, time and space are one in essence then where is the universe (mind).   

The universe (waking) is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

Many thinkers approach is more practical, and they are stuck with the reality of the universe (waking), they take it as real. Thus they are stuck to the reality of the illusory experience of the birth, life, death and the world as reality.  Thus it is necessary to realize the man and the world confronts him are one in essence in order to realize the form, time and space are one in essence. 

When one realizes the fact that, the whole universe and its contents, movable and immovable, is known to be consciousness, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the universe is universe. Universe and its contents bound to be consciousness.   

Sage Sri , Sanakara said:- (VC)65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through arguments. 

One cannot expect mental spoon feeding for everything.  Seeker has to do his own homework.  One will not understand it through argument, which leads nowhere but to perversity. 

That is why BUDDHA SAID: - Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true. 

That is why Sri, Sankara says in commentary in Vedanta sutra that what is accepted without proper enquiry will not lead a person to the final goal. On the contrary, such acceptance will result only in evil, in something which is detrimental to our spiritual progress.   Seeker of truth should not believe blindly in traditional orthodox non-duality without verifying all the facts from every angle. One has to reflect through reasoning over and over again without getting tired of the process. 

 

That is why Sri, Sankara:- VC  58. Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill in expounding the Scriptures, and likewise erudition - these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment to the scholar, but are no good for Liberation.

59. The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.

61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realisation one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

There is nothing more rational, more intelligible and more un-dogmatic insights of Sage  Sri, Sankara, is to drop all the theistic non-duality or Advaita which is meant for those who are incapable and not receptive to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.

If one merely theorizes, tries to understand through his intellect and there contended he cannot become a Gnani but he becomes a scholar or pundit.  The  Seeker of truth must make what he has understood and assimilated has to be  realized, to get firm conviction of the non- dualistic truth or ultimate truth or Brahman,   than only it is possible for him to transcend all the limitations of the experience of form, time and space.   

The existence beyond limitations of form, time and space is known as Moksha or Nirvana. Spiritual freedom or self-realization is the goal of every seeker of truth.