Adyathmic Discussion-376-(Quantum Field)

M.K. Q:- The Vedanta and the Sankhya hold the key to the laws of mind and thought process which are co-related to the Quantum Field, i.e. the operation and distribution of particles at atomic and molecular levels.” -Prof. Brian David Josephson (1940 – ) Welsh physicist, the youngest Nobel Laureate

SK:- Both modern science and religion offer hypotheses and theories but there is one vital difference--science begins with facts which it collects; religion begins with fancies. Science evolves its hypotheses from such facts, religion from fancies.

Science declares that oxygen combines with hydrogen to give water. And it also declares oxygen is protons or electrons. But in pursuit of truth the whole physical existence (universe or mind) is considered as illusion and science and their inventions, which are based on the physical existence is limited to physical existence. The truth is within but it is beyond the physical existence.  The science demands physical proof.  But the physical proof is part of the illusion. Hence science cannot go beyond physicality because the truth cannot be traced with laboratory conditions.  Deeper Inquiry, analysis and reasoning is required if one wants to push its quest deeply enough.

Modern man appears to have acquired admirable knowledge in various fields of inventions in the physical world. However what man has acquired is limited to the physical world not beyond.  Man has to admit the fact that he cannot investigate the truth of his own existence through scientific inventions, because it is possible only through deeper thinking process. Above all, acquired physical based knowledge and power do not assure man of lasting happiness in the worldly life and peace evades him at every moment.

Sage Sri, Sankara says:- VC- 56. Neither by Yoga, nor by Sankhya, nor by work, nor by learning, but by the realisation of one's identity with Brahman is Liberation possible, and by no other means. 

Mind and thought process which are co-related to the Quantum Field, i.e. the operation and distribution of particles at atomic and molecular levels.- all these ideas are true on the physical base. the physical base is of the duality. the duality is not reality from the ultimate standpoint. in reality there is no second thing exists other than consciousness.  Thus all these theories based on the false self(ego or waking entity) hold no water from ultimate standpoint.   

There is a need of facts of physical proof in scientific invention, whereas in pursuit of truth the proof has to be grasped mentally and realized.  Therefore, the truth is realized only by few who take this mental pursuit.  “Whatever facts revealed, which is un-contradictable has to be accepted as truth.

 

Adyathmic discussion- 375 (karma)

Trev Light Bown: - Thus the karma based on the physical entity is based on the birth, life and death, which is part and parcel of the illusion.".
So now are you saying karma effects are illusion. Are not the karma effects birth life and everything as it is that happens to that soul who believes in false self.

The karma effects must play itself out. Each thought action of mind is the life story. So this mind living can be seen as illusion from soul awareness point of view that is timeless formless being unaffected by matter mind time duality.
So yes I suppose karma is indeed duality bound.

SK: - When the self is neither the body nor the ego, neither the waking entity nor the dream entity but the self is the formless soul, the innermost self, then how the karma based on the false self (form or waking entity) within the false experience(waking)  can yield fruits.  Therefore, karma is a religious fable based on form.  

The karma theory is reality only for those who believe their present physical identity (ego) as real, and world as reality. When Sage  Sri, Sankara declares the world itself is illusion, and Brahman is real, then what value the karma theory has when the world is illusion, because man is part and parcel of the illusory world. Therefore, one has to view and judge the three states on the standpoint of the formless soul, the innermost self in order to overcome the duality, which he is experiencing it as reality.  The individuality is reality within the illusory world. Therefore, all the theories created within the illusion on the base of false entity, within the false experience, has to be the part and parcel of the illusion.  Thus it is necessary to realize the fact that Atman is the true self and all else is illusion, to overcome the illusory concept of cycle of birth, life and death.  Thus to understand and assimilate Sri, Sankara’s Advaitic truth, seeker  has to  do his own home work through inquiry, analysis and reasoning on the true base, without mixing religion, scriptures, theories  concept of god and yoga. 

Sage Sri Sankara  says in Aparokshanubhuti:- 

88. When the whole universe, movable and immovable, is known to be Atman, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the body is Atman? 

89. O enlightened one, pass your time always contemplating on Atman while you are experiencing all the results of Prarabdha; for it ill becomes you to feel distressed. 

90. The theory one hears of from the scripture, that Prarabdha does not lose its hold upon one even after the origination of the knowledge of Atman, is now being refuted. 

91. After the origination of the knowledge of Reality, Prarabdha verily ceases to exist, inasmuch as the body and the like become non-existent; just as a dream does not exist on waking. 

92. That Karma which is done in a previous life is known as Prarabdha (which produces the present life). But such Karma cannot take the place of Prarabdha (for a man of knowledge), as he has no other birth (being free from ego). 

93. Just as the body in a dream is superimposed (and therefore illusory), so is also this body. How could there be any birth of the superimposed (body), and in the absence of birth (of the body) where is the room for that (i.e., Prarabdha) at all ? 

94. The Vedanta texts declare ignorance to be verily the material (cause) of the phenomenal world just as earth is of a jar. That (ignorance) being destroyed, where can the universe subsist ? 

95. Just as a person out of confusion perceives only the snake leaving aside the rope, so does an ignorant person see only the phenomenal world without knowing the reality?

96. The real nature of the rope being known, the appearance of the snake no longer persists; so the substratum being known, the phenomenal world disappears completely.  

97. The body also being within the phenomenal world (and therefore unreal), how could Prarabdha exist ? It is, therefore, for the understanding of the ignorant alone that the Shruti speaks of Prarabdha. 

98. “And all the actions of a man perish when he realizes that (Atman) which is both the higher and the lower”. Here the clear use of the plural by the Shruti is to negate Prarabdha as well. 

99. If the ignorant still arbitrarily maintain this, they will not only involve themselves into two absurdities but will also run the risk of forgoing the Vedantic conclusion. So one should accept those Shrutis alone from which proceeds true knowledge.

The above proves that the karma is reality only on the base of false self, where one thinks body and the universes as reality. When one becomes aware of the fact that, the true self is formless soul, then the karma becomes part and parcel of illusion.   My point is that, if one accepts the karma theory as reality, he will never be able to come out of the ignorance. And ignorance makes him believe the cycle of birth, life and death as reality.  Thus the freedom which one is seeking will remain distant dream. For the one who accepts the birth life and death as reality, Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is impossible.