Sunday, November 20, 2011

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  • Sri Ramana Maharshi said:-"Jnana is given neither from outside nor from another person. It can be realised by each and every one in his own Heart. The jnana Guru of everyone is only the Supreme Self that is always revealing its own truth in every Heart through the being-consciousness 'I am, I am.' The granting of true knowledge by him is initiation into jnana. The grace of the Guru is only that Self-awareness that is one's own true nature. It is the inner consciousness by which he is unceasingly revealing his existence. This divine upadesa is always going on naturally in everyone."
    · · · November 15 at 2:52am
  • The mind and the body have to realize that they are themselves illusions. Thoughts are nothing but distractions. Stay focus.
    · · · November 14 at 9:42pm via mobile

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      • Maida Curtovic its going to take heck of a time for the illusion mind/body complex to become aware of itself and disappear :)))
        November 15 at 12:18am · · 1
  • Even the nonbeliever believes, because he believes that he doesn`t believe ...............Hamon
    · · · November 14 at 9:00pm
  • Some people come into your life as BLESSINGS ! Others come into your life as LESSONS!!. You need BOTH of them. ♥ uNkNoWn
    · · · November 14 at 6:49pm
  • He who thinks most of heaven will do most for earth."

    ~Unknown
    · · · November 14 at 6:43pm
  • Moving Mind

    Two men were arguing about a flag flapping in the wind. "It's the wind that is really moving," stated the first one. "No, it is the flag that is moving," contended the second. A Zen master, who happened to be walking by, overheard the debate and interrupted them. "Neither the flag nor the wind is moving," he said, "It is MIND that moves."
    · · · November 14 at 7:30am near Mumbai, India
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    · · · · November 14 at 3:14pm
  • By studying various scriptures one cannot be established in the true self, which is consciousness undefined unless he drops all accumulated knowledge. Scriptures and yoga are preliminary steps but they are not the means to acquire self-knowledge or nondual truth.

    Getting certainty and irrefutable proof of our true existence without dogmatic assertion and assumption and speculation is the attitude of true seeker. One has to know the self in the truth.

    All the study of scriptures and texts and teachings has to be dropped when one becomes aware of the fact that, the self is not physical but self is the soul undefined. One must think of always of the soul undefined the witness of the three states; rather than the three states.


    One may enjoy work or practice meditation but he will still yarn of that which is beyond all imagination ,all thinking and the objects and in which all the desire are extinguished. The subconscious goal of one’s search can only be non-duality.
    Many seekers are unhappy because they exert themselves by running one teacher to another, one scripture to another, one teaching to another and when they don’t find the truth, they are in uncertainty, they are unable to accept anything else as truth, because they are sentimentally and emotionally involved with the teacher or teaching. And they are unable to drop them, and also unable to accept any new truth. They are interested only which please or attracts them and they do not make an effort to know the higher truth, which requires mental effort to understand and assimilate. They prefer the teachings which are based on imagination.

    Both Gnani and the ignorant outwardly exerting and acting, the difference is the Gnani is soul- centric and the ignorant is egocentric. Gnani thinks his body and the world are unreal because he isfully aware they are created out of consciousness.

    The ignorant thinks he is an individual separate from the world, and world existed prior to him, and he is born in the world afterwards. Until he has this conviction he will not be able to assimilate nondual truth.

    Activity begets attachment; and abstention from it aversion. The one who is soul –centric is free from pair of opposites, like a child, and is thus established in the consciousness [soul/true self]. The nature of the soul is equilibrium. The psychology proves that ego comes later in life than birth, thus the child consciousness is free and not at egocentric.

    One who is egocentric is attached to the world wants to renounce it in order to avoid the miseries of life. But one who is soul- centric – he is in the world but not of it.
    The one who is ego-centric feels even towards liberation and considers even the body as his own he is neither Gnani nor yogi he suffers the physical life as reality.
    Until one forgets all the accumulated knowledge he cannot be established in ultimate truth.

    One has to master the self-knowledge by his own thinking, his own experiences through inquiry analysis and reasoning on the true base.

    One may learn the doctrine and master them but he will not be able to realize them that is for certain, not hear say.

    The man of truth does not identify his self with body but he considers the self to be the soul, which is in the form of consciousness.

    The one who considers his-self as body with the name will not be able to cross the threshold of duality and he keeps experiencing the duality as reality. Therefore, he refuses to accept the physical existence as illusion because he is in the intoxication of its reality.
    · · · November 14 at 10:38am


      • Satyam Sam Singh The truth is Consciousness alone. We all made out of same substance; body is just a clay the world and the Universe are created out of mind... Everyone "I" see, "I" see reflection of "I". Our true nature or true self is consciousness when we find our true nature we will find unlimited peace love happiness compassion because it is our true nature.
        November 14 at 2:19pm ·
      • Santthosh Kumaar
        ‎'I' itself is illusion.illusion is present as mind or universe. If 'I' is there then the ignorance is there. 'I' itself is mind. Mind is in the form of universe. Universe appears as waking or dreamundefined and disappears as deep sleep[n...See More
        November 14 at 3:07pm · · 1
  • One sees the water when there is a reflection of the light on the sand, mirage. In dream everything is within the consciousness because the universe of the dream undefined is in consciousness, yet different, likewise in the waking experience, the whole universe appears in consciousness undefined only. One has to use his common sense in the waking experience. Because one is attached to body and the world; he thinks his body and the world are not consciousness.

    One cannot be aware of his body and world; and all his individual experience [including something of the past in the form of knowledge based on purely memory also] without the consciousness. Thus, for anything to exist consciousness is the main ingredient, therefore, everything is dependent on consciousness because everything is consciousness. The diversity is reality because; one doesn’t consider his body, world and his individual experiences as consciousness.

    The ignorance is ever present in waking experience makes one experience the illusion as reality. The waking experience is only an appearance in which the individual perceives the world as a person and it changes every moment, at no time it is unchanging; then where has it disappeared in deep sleep or when the dream experience was on. Deeper Inquiry, analysis reasoning revels the fact that, the self is not physical but it is consciousness. Then who is the knower of these three states, which comes and goes in succession.

    One has to analyse the mind in waking experience then he will be able to understand this. One mistakes the body to be the matter and everything else as mind. One thinks his body is matter and he cannot understand the fact that, the body including the world undefined is mere illusion created out of consciousness. Until he thinks the illusion as reality he remains believing the birth, life, death and world as reality. Therefore, it is necessary to know and realize the self is not physical but self is consciousness undefined to cross the threshold of duality.


    Dissolution of the mind undefined, daily in deep sleep, in consciousness undefined, as it has emanated from and in consciousness. The waking experience is converted in to dream and the dream is converted into deep sleep. One does not know this because he does not know the three states are mere illusion and again he is afraid his body and individuality and the world will go. He cannot tolerate to lose his physical existence. Constantly thinking of the birth entity has concretizes the idea of birth, life and death, thus, the physical existence has become actuality. Same way one has to think constantly of the fact that, the self is not physical but formless consciousness to dismantle the physical structure built on the baseless undefined foundation.


    It is difficult to say body and the world as illusion within the illusion without inquiry, analysis and reasoning. Only after deeper inquiry, analysis and reasoning, one becomes aware of the existence of the witness, which is in the form consciousness and become aware of the fact that the physical existence is mere mirage created out of consciousness. Therefore, whatever one knows as person of the world is part of the mirage created out of consciousness. When the mirage is created out of consciousness then how the appearance in which man perceives the world can be true.


    Just as ice block dissolves into water or ornament in to gold, so the mind undefined which has emanated from consciousness dissolves as consciousness. Thus, no second thing exits other than consciousness.

    The time [the past present and future] is part and parcel of illusion. Until one thinks the self is form, he is bound to experience the time and space as reality. The only away to overcome from the form, time and space undefined is to realize the self is not physical but the self is consciousness.

    People consider themselves to be knowledgeable because they have read books and well informed about the subject. But all these accumulated knowledge is not wisdom. One can’t get non-dual wisdom from accumulating knowledge.

    Whether the knowledge accumulated are scriptures or something from more recently published books are mere pointers to truth but not wisdom. First, whether one is aware of it or not, as he reads he is imposing his own cultural conditioning, biases, experiences, and prior knowledge onto what he is reading; this is how his thinking faculty works. He “makes sense" of new things by associating them with things he already knows.

    Most of the time, this is useful. But if the "new thing" is utterly different from anything one has been exposed to before, he is almost certain to distort it to make it fit into pre-existing conceptual boxes. So much of knowledge is about changing perspective, but that's hard to do when he is twisting the knowledge around to fit the perspectives he is already has.

    As one goes on digging mentally and on more things will be revealed to him through inner revelation, which makes him get firm conviction of what is what.


    One has to grasp the existence of the formless witness [soul or consciousness] of the three states mentally to realize the three states are mere illusion. And focusing attention on the formless witness constantly one will be able to establish the reasoning base on the base of formless witness. And when the reasoning base is established on the base of formless witness it becomes easy to understand and assimilate the self-knowledge.

    But it takes much time to establish in consciousness because one has to overcome the physical conditioning by realizing the self is not physical but it is formless.
    · · · November 14 at 10:41am

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      • Satyam Sam Singh
        Detachment come from attachment; One has to attach in order to detach. Duality creates division division creates main ingredient in consciousness there is no main or middle or last. In consciousness there is no depending or non depending ...See More
        November 14 at 1:47pm ·
  • Self-Knowledge is quite different from meditation, yogic Samadhi and practices which are based on physical self undefined, which is the false self within the false experience. Meditation and yoga are not the means to acquire the self-knowledge but they are helpful tools in the preparatory stages to make one receptive and keep away from all the distractions.

    Speaking of ultimate truth and then opining that one need not inquiry to verify the facts is meaningless. Even as a method to get at ultimate truth one has to analyze the mind [universe/waking]. Speaking is different from realization.

    Just as sugar generated from sugarcane juice is wholly pervades by that juice, so the mind produced in consciousness permeated by consciousness through and through.
    This can be understood and assimilated only through illustration of waking, dream and deep sleep. The body, ego and the world exist only in waking or dream. And waking is as false as dream. In waking and dream the consciousness pervades in everything and everywhere through and through.


    The three states appear from the ignorance of consciousness and disappear with the knowledge of consciousness. The mind appears from non-cognition of the consciousness and disappears with its recognition.

    The moment one knows that three states are consciousness, there is no ignorance. One has to know the consciousness is everything and everything is nothing but consciousness.

    One has to Begin to see his -self as a consciousness with a body and the world rather than a body with a consciousness.
    · · · November 14 at 12:38pm
  • God is not belief. Holding belief as God is holding illusion as reality, because the belief is possible only within the realm of duality. Duality is mere illusion from the ultimate standpoint. Without the belief of God the belief system holds no water. Belief is not God. Belief needs the believer. Believer needs to be born in this world. If believer is born than he is part of the illusion. Without the believer there is no belief. The believer and his world and his belief of GOD are part of the illusion because the self is birth-less because the self is formless. The one, which is born, lives and dies, is not the self. The innermost self is formless substance and witness of the falsehood [universe or waking or illusion], which is soul or consciousness, consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman or Christ.

    The falsehood is present in the form of ‘I’ [mind or universe].the ‘I’ is cause of the ignorance. If one crosses the ‘I’ [mind or universe] than the self in the kingdom of nondual heaven without the body and without experience of the world undefined.

    In the Holy Bible first says:-there is GOD and then it says GOD is within and finally it says SELF is GOD. [They misinterpret it as I AM GOD]

    Spirit is my father; I and my father are one. – Soul, which is in the form of formless Spirit undefined ‘I’ [mind or universe] are one. Soul and mind are one in essence. Therefore there is no second thing exists other than formless Spirit [Father or GOD] – everything is Spirit or God undefined.


    If the Biblical insights are physicalized than it gives dualistic meaning. Only when we are able to view and judge the worldview on the base of the Spirit, which is the innermost self, we will be able to recognize the Advaitic or non-dualistic essence hidden in the Bible.
    People who are conditioned by religion will not accept anything other than their accepted truth. The scriptures are meant for those who are stuck the practical life within the practical world as reality.

    Universe is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself. Dualist’ sages’ approaches were more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they took it as real. Therefore. their understanding is based on the ego ,which is false self within the false experience.

    People think ‘I’ or ‘I AM as self only their body is not self. Only when the ‘I’ is there than only the body, ego and the world is there. If ‘I’ disappears than the body, ego and the world disappear. Without the ‘I’ there is neither body, nor ego and nor world. The ‘I’ is present when the mind is present. Mind is present only when the universe is present. Universe is present only when the waking is present. Waking is present only when there is ignorance.

    Thus ‘I’ is cause of the ignorance. Getting rid of the ignorance is very much necessary in pursuit of truth.

    Non-dualistic truth is supreme truth; all dualistic systems hold false self undefined as real self and false experience [universe or waking] as reality. Non- dualistic wisdom is culmination of all systems including theistic nonduality. The true non-dualist will not quarrel and argue with any theoretical philosophy because he is fully aware of the fact that, this orthodox theistic non-dualistic scholars or pundits like Dualist sages could not distinguish between ‘I’ and ‘formless witness.’ The 'I' was the witness. Their highest was the Jiva. One is so much attached to the 'I' that he do not want to think that 'I' does not exist. Again one is unable to detach the ‘I’ from the Real witness.

    There is need to study the scriptures. One has to self-search the truth and realize it without the scriptures. And then when he reads the scriptures he becomes aware the scriptures are also saying the same thing but everything is misinterpreted.

    Thus holding the ‘I’ or ‘I AM’ as self and trying to assimilate the self-knowledge will not yield any fruit. Thus deeper verification is very much necessary to drop the ‘I’ or ‘I AM THAT – declared by the sages in the past which are useful only in lower stages.

    That is why BUDDHA SAID: - Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.

    Therefore nothing to be accepted as truth without verification.

    The ignorance is the cause of experiencing the duality [universe or waking] as reality. Thus eradicating the ignorance completely is necessary. And this is possible only through self-knowledge. Thus, there is no other road to freedom other than Gnana. There is no other entrance other than except Gnana. The ignorance will vanish only when the nondual wisdom dawns. Detachment to attachment is impossible without wisdom. Only when one realizes the fact that, the self is not form but self is formless, than only it is possible to detach the ‘self’ from the false attachment.

    That is Sri Sankara, in Bhaja Govindam says: - [Jnana Viheena Sarva Mathena Bajathi na Muktim janma Shatena] - one without knowledge does not obtain liberation even in a hundred births, no matter which religious faith he follows.

    Thus it proves that wisdom is universal irrespective of any religion of faith one belongs. Thus religion is not the means to self-knowledge. Thus Sri, Sankara’s Advaita minus orthodoxy is true Advaita.

    Sri Sankara himself says undefined 59. The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

    60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.

    61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

    62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realization one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

    63. Without causing the objective universe to vanish and without knowing the truth of the Self, how is one to achieve Liberation by the mere utterance of the word Brahman ? — It would result merely in an effort of speech.

    So long as one is in the realm of duality, one has to explain how or why one thing came from another; and contradictory views are expressed. But when a Gnani shows there is no second, there is no production, and the contradictions do not arise at all, when the ultimate thing is consciousness alone. Thus consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman.

    The dualists’ arguments are based on false self [ego or waking entity] and false experience [waking or dream or universe] to show the weakness of the position of dualistic view point. They at their wits end to explain.

    Existent cannot be a cause and effect at the same time, from the point of view of the dualists, but deeper self-search shows the Existent is no-two and causality can’t rise at all. Dualistic theory says that whatever was in the cause was also in the effect. They say that the gold brick, the gold medal, the gold ornaments --are in the seed--the gold. Deeper self-search reveals the fact that, if cause and effect are one what is the difference between the two?
    · · · November 14 at 10:20am
  • People consider themselves to be knowledgeable because they have read books and well informed about the subject. But all these accumulated knowledge is not wisdom. One can’t get non-dual wisdom from accumulating knowledge.

    Whether the knowledge accumulated are scriptures or something from more recently published books are mere pointers to truth but not wisdom. First, whether we're aware of it or not, as one reads he is imposing his own cultural conditioning, biases, experiences, and prior knowledge onto what he is reading; this is how his brains work. He “makes sense" of new things by associating them with things he already knows.
    Most of the time, this is useful. But if the "new thing" is utterly different from anything one has been exposed to before, he is almost certain to distort it to make it fit into pre-existing conceptual boxes. So much of knowledge is about changing perspective, but that's hard to do when one is twisting the knowledge around to fit the perspectives he is already has.
    · · · November 13 at 3:15am


      • Satyam Sam Singh
        Some people consider themselves to be knowledgeable, when one potato goes bad in the bag, it makes the whole bag smell bad... but that does not mean that the whole bag is bad. It is the thought from the human mind that is highly nutritious ...See More
        November 14 at 9:47am · · 1
  • When one potato goes bad in the bag, it makes the whole bag smell bad... but that does not mean that the whole bag is bad. It is the thought from the human mind that is highly nutritious for the ego. When we start to judge people by our personal thoughts and perceptions without knowing others situations, conditions or any understanding, this is what is egocentric. This is what blocks us from self realizing. After all everything is happening on it's on. Why be unnatural?
    · · · November 14 at 9:46am

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