Sunday, September 4, 2011

Adyathmic discussion -70


We worship a man in the name of a guru, a guru in the name of a god and a god in the name of ....!?


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    • Satyam Sam Singh Who is worshiping who ??
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Subhashish Borah Yes that seems an answer to me , is it!?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Love and Peace brother " ALL ONE"
      6 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Subhashish Borah Yes that's what fools don't undersatnd!! Self worship?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Brother nobody is fool. Judging lead us to the darkness. ♥♥
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Subhashish Borah That's why "we" worship...!!
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Worship to whom?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Who is WE?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Subhashish Borah ‎"We" worship the "self", the present self awarness is a product of Maya, so may be the "we" is very "ignarance"
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Subhashish Borah Thus we all are fools. Isn't it?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh What we see through our eyes.... all illusion..! ♥
      6 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Subhashish ji, The body,ego and the world are product of ignorance. The guru, god , the devotee and the worship are reality within the waking experience. But the waking experience itself mere illusion created out of consciousness,w...See More

      6 hours ago · · 3 people

    • Satyam Sam Singh No one is fools here.
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Subhashish Borah Does it say that the concept of illusion itself is illusion?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Thank You Santthosh Ji Much love and Respect Sir ♥ _/\_ ♥
      6 hours ago · · 3 people

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Subhashishji, When man and his experience of the world is mere illusion then whatever seen,known,believed and experienced as a person of the world is bound to be illusion. when the self is not the form then our judgment has to be base...See More

      6 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Subhashish Borah What is 'physical shackle' dear Sunthosh Ji? Is it the gross physical or the subtle dimensions of being?
      6 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Santthosh Ji TRUE _/\_
      6 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Subhashishji, as a person everyone has the conviction that , he is an individual separate from the world and world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards. This is inborn samskara or conditioning is physical shackle,whic...See More

      5 hours ago ·

    • Satyam Sam Singh Consciousness alone is real and ultimate truth or Brahman.
      Thank You Santthosh Ji _/\_

      5 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Subhashish Borah
      So is nothingness the ultimate reality? What is the nature then of the distinction between the upanishadic qualitative "all" and the "none"? What is the validity of such a non-dualistic proposition if "all" is non-dualistically "non"? Becau...See More

      5 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Consciousness alone is real and ultimate reality, truth or Brahman.
      5 hours ago · · 2 people

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Subhashishji, There is something which is aware of nothingness. The one which is aware of the the absence of the waking or dream is neither the waking entity nor the dream entity but is always apart and formless and eternal.the nothingness is the nature of the innermost self ,which is aware of coming and going of the three state. if there is nothing there has to be something to know there is nothing. What is it? The true Self is not perceptible to the senses. It is perceived by Reason. It is not perceptible as a thing with form and attributes. To those whose attention is fixed on the body and the world, it is very difficult to attain Self-knowledge. It is also very difficult for them to see the consciousness as self. The attention towards the universe [mind] should be lessened by realizing the self is not the body. The attention has to be focused on the formless substance and witness of the universe [mind] should be increased. So long as the attention is directed towards the universe, the experience of birth, life and death will prevail as reality. But when the attention is directed towards the formless substance and witness of the mind, the ignorance vanishes and the sense of reality of the duality will disappear. Then there is unity in diversity.
      This subject is vast and it has to be grasped only through deeper self-search.
      Upanishad say:
      This Ataman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Ataman reveals Its own form. [Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20]
      Mundaka Upanishad :-
      This Ataman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Ataman—by him alone is Ataman attained. It is Ataman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature. [ 3 –page-70 Mundaka Upanishad Upanishads by Nikilanada]

      When the Upanishads say:-

      It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Ataman reveals its own form. Then what is the use of indulging through our intelligence or our accumulated knowledge, when one is not chosen by the self, which is the soul, which is in the form of consciousness.

      There is no need for any philosophy in pursuit of truth because they take the seeker nearer to truth but they create more doubts and confusions.

      The scriptures and theories and teaching based on the ego are not the yardstick. Using them as yardstick to understand and assimilate the truth will lead one towards pursuit of arguments. Seeker of truth has to discover on his own, the truth of his true existence by inquiring “what is mind?” and “what is substance of the mind?” and move forward.

      Kabir views humanity as being caught up in illusion, searching for Ultimate Reality in all the wrong places, always seeking It outside of ourselves in various rituals, temples, forests and mountaintops, not realizing That for which we seek is already hidden within us.

      They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Ataman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. [Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada]
      That is why Sri, Sankara says in VivekaChudamani :-
      61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?
      62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realisation one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.
      63. Without causing the objective universe to vanish and without knowing the truth of the Self, how is one to achieve Liberation by the mere utterance of the word Brahman ? — It would result merely in an effort of speech.
      64. Without killing one’s enemies, and possessing oneself of the splendour of the entire surrounding region, one cannot claim to be an emperor by merely saying, ‘I am an emperor’.
      65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through perverted arguments.
      People who are yearning for spiritual truth will not find it through intellectual speculation and assumption. Intellectual truth is individual truth. And Religious truth is individual truth and it is not universal truth because the religion is based on individuality.

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    • Santthosh Kumaar Dear Subhashisji ,let us continue our discussion in the formless path Group.
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As the conviction of formless substance and witness grows stronger and firmer, the illusion looses its lustre and becomes one with the stuff it is made out of.



Since the seed does not contain anything other than the seed, even the flowers and the fruits are of the same nature as the seed: the substance of the seed is the substance of subsequent effects, too. Even so, the three states do not give rise to anything other than what it is in essence. When this truth is realized, duality ceases.

He who knows the fact that, the soul as the true Self breaks through the belief that, the self is the body and the world as reality. Such a one is united with the soul, which is ultimate truth. The one who thinks he is born in this world and the world existed prior to him will not be able to grasp and realize the non-dual truth.

By  rectifying  the reasoning base from form to formless, one will reach the state of unity from experience of diversity.

Ultimate Truth cannot be found in Books. Ultimate can be only found  through soul-centric reasoning. People gradually realize  the fact that, the belief system is not the means to Self-Realization but it is an obstacle in realizing the true Self. Many Spiritual seekers are now more curious about realization of Truth but unfortunately they throng to Books, Not to inquire.


Many sounds a strong convictioned and their knowledge is based only on Books and others opinions. They support their arguments with References from philosophical books or scriptures.  Seeker has Just Remember for every strong argument there will be a counter argument.  The truth is always based on the formless; therefore what is the use of arguing on the form base, which is the cause of ignorance. In ignorance one ignores the Truth itself.

Those who get involved in Theological debates, which are based on the form as self, will get only hallucinated realization based on speculation. 

Many people think and discuss on the authors of the books or gurus. As seekers of truth one has to know where the author or guru has got stuck in assimilating the self-knowledge for their own research. There is no need to criticize authors and gurus. If one bases his reasoning on the soul as self he will know how far they have reached in their understanding and assimilation of the non-dual truth. 

The value of Self –Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana  isn’t to be found in books. Those are just the external appearances of self; they're not the realization of “Self” as proof. If one realizes the “Self” then he realizes the formless substance of the mind, and he sees the truth in it. When the truth becomes apparent then it cuts off the stream of delusion. Their writings are pointers to truth, not truth-in-itself. That's why merely believing in their books is pointless. 


People judge others by their own limited understanding.  Their understanding is limited to physicality /intellectuality.  They simply indulge in endless argument on their own point of view. 

When one go deeper and deeper reasoning to all the non-dual writing, it reveals the fact that, their understanding is based on intellectuality, and it never takes one to finality.  The seeker of truth is on his own and he has to realize the fact that, someone’s cooked food may be tasty but when he learns to cook on his own he will be able to grasp the truth on his own. 

Intellectual judgments will always haunts with doubts and debate fastened to their tails, if not denials.  Direct spiritual perception alone free and lone conveys complete certitude.  The reason based on the soul as self, frees one from physical based logic and theories.  


Till  one knows the ultimate truth is non-dual, one keeps on inquiring and   reasoning.  One, who thinks the self is physical and the experience of the world as reality, should not indulge in pursuit of truth. He accepts the duality as reality and experiences the birth, life and death as reality.  When the birth entity is accepted as self, then whatever is seen, known, believed and experienced on the base of birth entity accepted as reality. On the base of birth entity, the body, world and belief of god seems to be real.     
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The guru is necessary for religion and yoga.  Path of truth is a personal path and path of verification. But in religion and yoga the verification is not allowed. Blind faith is main ingredient in belief system and yoga.   Gurudom is playing with words because maybe the meaning is floating somewhere in between the spaces of words...

People who think themselves to be in a position to air their knowledge forget one basic fact, namely that they go by mere appearances. Someone expounds knowledge and the one who receives it begins to ape the person from whom he has received the knowledge.  They never question the validity of that knowledge. 


Thus, whatever the guru wears, he will wear; whatever mannerisms the guru affects, he will imitate.  Thus, they only learn to pretend. And all so-called accumulated knowledge" is mere speculation based on the physical self/ego. This is how tradition became established and traditional forms of worship come into being and passed it on the one generation to the next.  All these have nothing to do with the Self- Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

Whatever One has heard, whatever he has been told, will have no value as far as the ultimate point of view. Whether one accepts the fact that the only knowledge that he u really has is the knowledge that he exists, that is consciousness. Other than that, whatever knowledge he thinks he has as a person, is part of the illusion, something acquired, based on the illusory consciousness. 

The realization of truth is not intellectual understanding. Self- Realization is about realizing the fact that, the self is not physical, but it is the formless soul or consciousness or spirit.  Intellectual and logical / analytical perspective is based on the false self, will not help the seeker to reach his non-dual destination. The truth is beyond intellectual understanding and only the serious seekers who are free from preconceived accumulated ideas can get there.

The seeker of truth moves a head by verifying the facts and by removing all the obstacles and reaches his non-dual destination.

As the conviction of formless substance and witness grows stronger and firmer, the illusion looses its lustre and becomes one with the stuff it is made out of.

It is difficult to discuss the ultimate truth within the scope of some teaching





It is difficult to discuss the ultimate truth within the scope of some teaching.  The barricade has to be removed to grasp the ultimate truth.  

It is necessary to understand “What truth is” and also “What is untruth” in order realize the ultimate truth.  So also understanding the illusion is necessary. The reason for this is that the ways to realize the ultimate truth is very intricate or deep. 

The duality creates separateness in the physical existence.  The life has meaning only in physical existence. The whole life depends on action. Action in duality comprises action and inaction, because inaction   is also action.  Until and unless one analysis the various aspects three states the ultimate truth is impossible to grasp.  But on in depth analysis it may be found to be the witness of the three states is formless and apart.    Thus, the ultimate truth is very intricate to grasp and it demands deep analysis and study.  


Whoever partakes in pursuit of truth sincerely acquires non-dual wisdom.  For a person who indulges in religion, god and guru glorification and scriptural studies and yoga the question of acquiring the non-dual wisdom is impossibility. 


The person who does not indulge in pursuit of truth will not be Self-Realized.  Elimination of ignorance through Self-Knowledge is nobler then any other physical based knowledge.  All ignorance gets extinguished in non-dual wisdom.  The mind has physical limitation.  Wisdom acquired on the base of soul as self is limitless.   Through non-dual wisdom all the untruth gets merged in to the ultimate truth which is the soul or consciousness or spirit.


One has to indulge in deeper inquiry, analysis and reasoning and try to assimilate what is truth. Seeker has to put question to those who are expounding the Self-Knowledge with humility without arguing on the standpoint of accumulated knowledge.   The one who has achieved the ultimate knowledge will be able to guide to the end.  


 Once one attains Self-knowledge he will not fall prey to any kind of doubts and confusion (as what is truth and what is untruth). One will find the three states are being apart from the true self/soul, and the three states and the soul are one in essence.  Therefore even the three states are the spirit, because, it is created out of spirit. 


Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana   is meant to liberate man from doubts and confusion as what is truth, and what is untruth. Attainment of Self-Knowledge make one realize the three states are mere illusion and ultimately the illusion merges with the soul or consciousness , which is the true self.

The words and thoughts are mere tools to move towards non-dual reality.



One must be desirous of knowing the ultimate truth, consider the ultimate truth as means to freedom. Truth is the most distasteful, bitter and unpleasant thing; but there cannot be any question of “satisfactions” in truth.   Many think what they know is truth. But they never question or verify what they know is truth.  Imagination is not truth. 


Self-knowledge means realizing the non-dual nature of reality.  Sharpness is needed to grasp and assimilate the non-dual understanding. By perfect understanding one becomes aware of the fact that the soul, which is in the form of consciousness and the mind, which is in the form of universe are eternally not separate because the mind  is erupted from consciousness, sustained by consciousness and finally dissolves as consciousness. Therefore, the mind which is in the form of universe is mere division created out of consciousness.  The division is mere mirage from the ultimate point of view.    


Non-duality can be ascribed to the true Self or the Consciousness alone. It is not accessible to reason, for the ego-bound experience in the waking condition cannot step out of the duality of subject-object relationship."


Soul is in the form of Consciousness alone, is real and eternal. And consciousness is ultimate truth.  The mind, which is in the form of universe, is mere   illusory appearance and it is impermanent. The Self is nothing but consciousness, which is ultimate truth."


The names and forms are present only in duality. The duality is mere mirage on the ultimate standpoint. Therefore there is a need to know the ultimate end from where the duality, which is in the form of mind or universe, rises and subsides.  When the mind rises all the names and forms are present and when the mind subside all names and forms subsides. The knower of the mind or universe, which comes and goes, is apart and eternal. Thus the knower of the mind or universe is formless and nameless and apart and eternal. The mind or universe, which comes and goes, is impermanent. The formless witness of the mind or universe is real and eternal.  Thus there is a need to realize the existence of the formless witness apart from universe or mind, which appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep. 


Whatever are named are part of the illusion because noting can be named in reality because there is no duality in reality. The non-duality is the source of the duality. Universe has a source and it has a no name."


Thus the non-dual nature of reality is recognized by identifying the source of the mind or universe. No name is the same name as that non-dual nature or eternal name. But the universe contains names and forms.  Until people recognize the nameless by giving it name as “I AM” it becomes impossible to cross the threshold of duality.    One can talk about non-dual reality with words, but one has to grasp its existence mentally because it exist prior to the appearance of the universe or mind.   The duality or universe emanates out of non-dual reality.


Until we discard the universe from its source mentally the reality will not be revealed.  Buddha kept silent when asked about the Ground of Being. Only his   Noble Silence would simply reflect one back upon his -self, challenging him to awaken in the moment, in the now, which is universe or waking experience. 


The words and thoughts are mere tools to move towards non-dual reality. Little use for words doesn’t precipitate or point to, awakening because words and thoughts are part of the duality, they ceases to exist in non-dual reality. Even logic must take a far, far, second place to the all-important task of a personal realization of the unborn, undying, pure wisdom source which is the birthright of everyone."


Seeker of truth should not to become attached to words as being in perfect conformity with meaning, because Truth is not in the letters. When a man with his finger-tip points to something, the finger-tip may be mistaken for the thing pointed at; in like manner the ignorant, are unable even to the day of their death to abandon the idea that in the finger-tip of words there is the meaning itself. They cannot realize Ultimate Reality because of their intent clinging to words which were intended to be no more than a pointing finger. Words and their discrimination bind one to the duality or birth, life and death; meaning stands alone and is a guide to non-dual freedom. Meaning is attained by much learning, and much learning is attained by becoming conversant with meaning and not with words; therefore, seekers of truth have to avoid the sticklers for particular words."


Consciousness without division is Ultimate Reality defies all description or characterization." "All characterizations of consciousness, in short, are intended in their experiential dimension to aid those who are searching for ultimate truth or reality but have not yet realized it."


"Human language has its source in phenomenal experience; hence, it is limited in its application to states of being that are beyond that experience; logic is grounded in the duality as it relates to the phenomenal order; hence, it is unable to affirm, without at the same time denying, what extends beyond that order." Whatever is expressed is ultimately non-Brahman, is ultimately untrue."


Inquiry, analysis and reasoning is necessarily to reach the wordless reality, one must place himself in the source the mind or universe to realize the all the thoughts and words are part of the mirage hence I they are meaningless on the standpoint of the source which is consciousness.  Once one is able to view on the standpoint of the source of the mind the words, thoughts and experience becomes, meaningless and lifeless because there is no division in the consciousness only oneness. 


One has to understand the without the mind there is no universe. Without the universe there is individual experience. Without the individual experience there is no duality. Without the duality there are no thoughts and words. Without the thoughts there is no separation. Without the separation there is no illusion. Without the illusion there is no ignorance. Without the ignorance there is no urge for wisdom. Without the wisdom there is no reality. Without knowing the reality there is no non-duality. 


All the words are having the meaning within the illusory world. If there is no words and thoughts then there is in division. When there is no division then there is duality. When the there is no duality then there is oneness.  Thoughts and words are present only in waking or dream. Waking experience is parallel dream and dream is parallel waking experience. Waking experience is parallel dream. The experience birth, life, death and the universe within the waking experience is mere mirage on the ultimate stand point because the self is neither the waking entity nor the dream entity, but the self is the formless substance and witness of the mind, which is in the form of waking or dream which comes and goes. 


Thus, the words and thoughts have their value within the false experience of waking or dream. When one becomes aware of the false hood of this waking or dream by becoming aware of the true self, which is consciousness, the awakening happens and one becomes aware of the fact that, the forms and names thoughts and words are mere mirage created out of consciousness. Thus the all the experiences of the three states are mere mirage created out of single substance, which is consciousness.  Thus consciousness alone is real and eternal. Consciousness alone is ultimate truth, which is identified as God/ Brahman/Buddha/Christ/Allah. Thus the universe, which is in the form of mind emanate out of consciousness, sustained by consciousness and finally dissolves as consciousness.    


People read so much, hoping to have an inkling of Truth, but more they read the more Truth recedes from our ken. All the philosophies are all useless in the quest of truth. Philosophers differ among themselves.   Therefore one has to trace the source of the mind mentally and realize the fact that the source itself is the self, which is in the form of consciousness.

The one who thinks himself as guru and the one who thinks himself as chela [disciple] will not be able get Self-Knowledge because both of them accepted themselves as body



When one realizes fact that, self is not form (body or ego) but formless (consciousness), then whatever believed and worshiped as god has no value.  Whatever known, seen, believed and experienced as person is part of the mirage, which appears as universe or mind.  On the ultimate standpoint the consciousness alone exists therefore the individual gods are non-exiting in reality.  Thus, the universe is unreal and consciousness alone is real, because the universe is mere mirage created out of consciousness on the standpoint of consciousness as self.    

Religious or yogic gurus propagate once a seeker identifies a Guru, he must totally surrender to the Guru and then from there onwards, the spiritual journey is fully the Guru's responsibility, not his... Hence the importance to choosing the right Guru is necessary but in pursuit of truth the guru is not necessary, because the truth is not theoretical.  Truth has to be ascertained by the seeker on his own through a well-directed inquiry, analysis and reasoning based on the true self will lead the seeker to his destination.  

People who worship the guru as God in human form and there is a danger that they might establish a regular religious sect in his name.  This is an unhappy development of the religious movement. 

It is better to take guidance from a Gnani and try to attain the same realization which he had, rather than spend their energies in deifying him. Let us remember that to deify a Gnani is to defy wisdom” 

Hindu religious literature is full of such aphorisms as ' there is no higher deity than the Guru; the Guru is the ultimate Truth and Deity God and  Avatars (incarnations) are secondary to the Guru in importance ;there is no higher refuge, no higher target, no higher destination than the Guru ; the Guru is God Himself ; God and the Guru are one ; he who makes a  distinction between the Guru and God is ignorant and stupid ; and scores of  similar others. They abound both in Sanskrit and in modern Indian languages.

People born in the different sect and they remain as its follower. Most of the sect are founded by some gurus, thus Indian belief system is a Guru Cult, i.e. believes in the worship of the Guru as the Supreme Deity.

When a seeker could not get full enlightenment from his inherited belief system, then only he searches elsewhere. And tries to get enlightened himself further to clear the cobwebs of his understanding and seeks guidance to his progress.

The path of religion, path of yoga and the path of wisdom were intended for different classes of people. The wisdom is for the advanced seekers of truth. It deals with the nature of the ultimate Truth and Reality. It is meant for superior aspirants who have inner urge to know the truth and it is not for those who are immersed in earthly desires. 

Katha Upanishad:-
 This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Ataman reveals Its own form. (Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20)

Mundaka Upanishad  :-
This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature.  (3 –page-70 Mundaka Upanishad  Upanishads by Nikilanada)

When the Upanishad says:  the human goal is to acquire Self-Knowledge and they indicate the personal gods, scriptures, worship and rituals are not the means to Self –Knowledge, then why anyone should indulge in it. The religion, concept of individualized god and scriptures are greatest obstacle to realize non-dual truth or self-realization, because they are based on false self.   Therefore, one has to search the ultimate truth without losing himself in the labyrinths of philosophy, he should indulge in deeper, inquiry, analysis and reasoning and assimilate and realize it.  

Seekers goal is towards Self-knowledge and noting other then it. Therefore, guru is needed in religious and yogic paths which are meant for the people who are not searching for truth but they are searching for worldly comforts and temporary peace in this physical existence.  They fear of losing their physical identity and all that is connected to the physical identity. When one realizes the physical identity (ego) is false self and the true identity is the soul, which is in the form consciousness, then he realizes that the fear factor is limited to the false self within the false experience. When the self is not physical all the burden and bondage of the duality is mere mirage created out of consciousness. 

Therefore, Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana  is necessary to know the fact that, the universe, which appears is in the form of mind and disappears as nothingness (formless) is   mere mirage created out of nothingness, which is consciousness.  Thus the consciousness is the source and witness of the universe or mind, which comes and goes.  Thus it is necessary to know the formless witness of the three states in order to know the fact that, the true self is apart and  free from the mirage ,which is in the form of birth, life, death and the universe.  Therefore, it is necessary for the seeker to make sure how the three states are mirage. 

The body and the world are reality within the waking experience but the waking experience is mere illusion same way as the dream body and the dream world were reality within the dream. The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place; similarly the waking experience becomes unreal when the non-dual wisdom dawns.  

The one who thinks himself as guru and the one who thinks himself as chela (disciple)will not be able get Self-Knowledge because both of them accepted themselves as body. And all their understanding, practices, knowledge are based on the false self.  Therefore, the Guru –Shisya concept is a great obstacle in pursuit of truth.  That is why Sri, Ramana Maharshi never accepted himself as guru or accepted any one as his disciple because he was fully immersed in his true self, which is formless consciousness.   

Thus by Surrendering to any guru or god men is not the means to self-knowledge.  The self is the true guru. Seeker has to surrender to the self by realizng the fact that the self is not physical. By realizing the self is not physical one becomes all the accumulated knowledge and inherited conditioning in the midst of duality and he finds freedom from experiencing the duality (waking)as reality. 

There is no fear of losing anything because only ignorance vanishes and one becomes fully aware what is real and what is unreal in the midst of the unreal waking experience.   

This will ensure that one has reached the right path of progress and will eventually get the knowledge of the true self.  A true seeker should seek only truth nothing but truth, his sincerity and urge to know the truth will lead him, not his mental decisions. 

If one takes the religious based non-dual path or yogic path, then the seeking is not spiritual but rather superficially mental for academic and self-aggrandising pursuits driven by the ego. There can be no two thoughts about it.

The path of wisdom needs a deep study of the mind and its substance, so one can resolve the conflicts that a seeking mind has. Such deeper leads on towards better grasping, understanding, assimilation and realization. Only if one has proper grasping he can have proper understanding.

They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Atman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. [Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada]

This passage indicates the fact that everything is Atman/spirit. The one who views and judges the worldview on the base of his birth /body will not realize the fact that, the man including the world is created sustained and finally dissolves as Atman. Thus Atman alone is, and all else is mirage. 

Thus self-knowledge  or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is the aim of every human being. Since everyone thinks the physical body is the self their aim is misdirected and they focus their attention on materiality which makes one feel the duality [waking] as reality.

Nisagadutta said:  Millions are in search of the ultimate truth, and only one in million will be able to grasp and realize it. By focusing more attention on Atman by talking, writing, discussing only of Atman, the conviction grows and becomes firmer and the duality will fade away as reality. Atman/sprit which is one’s   true identity will prevail as birth-less and deathless, eternal substance and witness of the mirage called duality. 

Therefore there is no need to study scriptures, or indulge in god and guru glorification or performing religious rituals.  Since, they are not the means to acquire non-dual wisdom. It is only waste of time and effort to indulge in those things. 
The individual self is not real, is not accepted by many.  The nondual wisdom is based not on the individual self [ego].  Until people hold the ‘I’ [ego] as witness, they will not reach the ultimate understanding.  

When Upanishad itself declares:-   sarvam khalvidam brahma - all this (universe) is verily Brahman. By following back all of the relative appearances in the world, we eventually return to that from which it is all manifest – the non-dual reality [ Chandogya Upanishad].  

Then it is no use going roundabout way, trace the Brahman which is the formless substance and witness of the universe, which is in the form of mind.  By tracing the source of the mind or universe one will be able to realize the Brahman. 

The true Self is not perceptible to the senses. It is perceived by Reason. It is not perceptible as a thing with form and attributes. To those whose attention is fixed on the body and the world, it is very difficult to attain Self-knowledge. It is also very difficult for them to see the Atman as self. The attention towards the universe (mind) should be lessened by realizing the self is not the body. The attention has to be focused on the formless substance and witness of the universe [mind] should be increased. So long as the attention is directed towards the universe, the experience of birth, life and death will prevail as reality. But when the attention is directed towards the formless witness, the ignorance vanishes and sense of duality will disappear. Then there is unity in diversity. 

What is the state of the ego or physical self when it has realized that the self is not the body? Such souls have attained their pristine condition. “Self” is not visible to the physical eyes. “Self” is not to be found in the world as a thing, entity or an object. Self is above these, has neither beginning nor ending.

A visible object has a beginning and an ending. Since Atman, which is in the form of consciousness is invisible to the physical eye; Atman or consciousness is without beginning and ending. Atman is always constant. Just as space is homogeneous everywhere, so is the Atman the same everywhere.