Adyathmic Discussion--401 (Nothingness is the nature of the soul)***

Dear Santthosh

So, would it be right to say the waking world is an illusion similar to the dream world?

And the illusory (or unreal) world appears within the Real? (or Soul)

Therefore,this life is an illusion appearing within consciousness.

And the time is an illusion appearing within Timeless Presence.

And the form is an illusion appearing within the Formless.

And the birth is an illusion appearing within the Unborn.

And death is an illusion appearing within the Deathless.

Therefore the self (ego) is an illusion appearing within the True Self (or Soul)

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Santthoshkumaar Kumaar

The soul, the innermost self is the subject, not an object (three states). All moments, change, difference, conflicts and ego, the false self and experiences are happening within in the object. The subject is apart and unaffected, because it is not an entity or identity within the object. Until one considers the ego as self or the subject, it leads to intellectuality or egocentricity. And one thinks the form is formless and the formless is the  form within the object.

When the wisdom dawns one becomes fully aware there is nothing ever existed, noting exists, and nothing is going to exist other than the formless soul or spirit. Therefore, the experience of diversity is a mere mirage, which appears and disappears as mind. Within the mind, the man perceives the world. Nothingness is the nature of the soul, the innermost self.

Nothingness (Soul or consciousness) is the formless substance and witness of the mirage (three states). Realizing the fact that, the soul is the self, and then the mirage (ignorance) vanishes to its unadulterated non-dual nature. The one who is writing and the one who is reading is part of the mirage. The beyond is within the mirage and it is without the mirage.

Adyathmic discussion --400 ( no experience nor the experiencer)***

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  Hello Santthosh

  I have been reading your article called "The Dream Illustration" on Speaking Tree and I would like to make sure that I understand what you are saying. Do you mean that the world and my character are like a mirage in a dream? And do you mean that everything is a mirage appearing in consciousness, made only of consciousness?

  Thanks

  Cliff
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  Santthosh Kumaar
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  Dearest brother C,

   As per my conviction:-

  How does one see various objects, scenes and persons during dreams? If the dream is experienced without the physical body, then what is it that experiences the dream? Therefore, there must be a formless witness of the dream world. This formless witness is the same witness that is witnesses this Waking experience also. Therefore, the Waking experience and dream both are witnessed by one and only formless witness of which the seeker is not aware of.

  Since he considers the waking entity(ego) as the self or witness and views and judges the world-view on the standpoint of the waking entity or ego ,which is the false self, within the false experience(waking) . The formless witness can exist with or without the waking or dream. But the waking or dream ceases to exist, without the formless witness.

  The gross Waking experience is merged into the mental experience in the sense that, when it is analyzed, it is found to exist inseparably in and as the mind alone. All "spiritual" planes are really mental: those who regard them as different or higher are deceiving themselves.

  The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place; similarly the waking becomes unreal when the wisdom dawns. Therefore, everything has to be grasped mentally, not argued on the intellectual point of view, which is limited to the false physical entity within the false experience.

  The unreal is created out of real, and when one views and judges on the standpoint unreal (ego) then there is duality. When one is able to view and judge on the standpoint of real (Atman or soul, the innermost self ) then there is only non -duality. Therefore, when the wisdom dawns then there is neither duality, nor non-duality, only reality.

  All these confusions will go on, until man thinks, he is an individual and apart from the world, and the world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards. Therefore, it is necessary to know the fact that, the real self is not ego, but the real self is the soul.

  If the soul is the real self,  then the seeker has to stop viewing and judging the world-view on the standpoint of the physical self (ego). and he has to learn to  view and judge on the base of the  formless soul, the innermost self , to realize the fact that, the world along with the man is an illusion.

  The formless substance from which the illusion is created is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness . This Atman (soul) is Brahman or ultimate reality. Thus, no second thing exists other than the soul or consciousness. Thus, there is no experience nor the experiencer in non-dual reality but only self-awareness.

  with love,respect and regards

  santthosh