Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -341

FORMLESS PATH: It was not God who created man; man created God.

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  • Mangal Anand Saraswati God is real, make no mistake about it.......
  • Santthosh Kumaar There is no God but God. Whatever is real(consciousness) is God the universe in which we exist is unreal. from ultimate standpoint God cannot be called as God because there is no secondthing exists other than(Atman or consciousness) itself.
  • Mangal Anand Saraswati All words.....God exists....I have spent time with Him.....God created man, the earth, the universe and everything in it.......
  • Santthosh Kumaar I respect you views and wisdom. but Form,time and space are one in essence. That essence is conciousness in reality there is no secondthing exists other than consciousness(Atman). Atman is Brahman) . If any one has spent time with God it implies duality. And the duality is mere illusion from ultimate standpoint. therfore there is neither the man, nor his idea of God nor the universe in the relam of truth.
  • Mangal Anand Saraswati God is not a man as we are with arms and legs and he does not live on earth.......Your account is philosophy of man, is it not?....With respect sir......
  • Santthosh Kumaar Respected sir, there is no philosphy is needed to know the ultimate truth or Brahman(God). When one realizes the fact that, man is not a man, the ego is not the ego, the world is not the world but everyting is Atman(consciousness)the innermost self than one realzes the real God. When man and his experince of the world(duality) disappears God(nonduality) appears. When God (nonduality) disappears than man and his experince of the world (duality) appears. For a Gnani there is neither duality nor nonduality because he is in self(God)-awareness.
  • Mangal Anand Saraswati Sir, with respect, I agree with everything you say, i do not dispute it but it does not alter the fact that i have been with him and been guided by Him.....God chose me, i didnt choose God...He showed Himself to me....I understand, in Reality, only God exists.....You are God, I am God And all that exists is God....But also there is a personal relationship with Him.....For example Jesus Christ and others....This is my point.......
  • Santthosh Kumaar Dearest sir, "Jesus said:-"Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all." (Gospel of Thomas 2)

    Jesus said: -”Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. (THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS- Saying 5)

    "The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, Not in a mansion of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and God is there, Lift a stone and you will find God." (Gospel of Thomas)

    Gospel Thomas logian 22 :- Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, “These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom.”
    They said to him, “Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?”
    Jesus said to them, “When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female is female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom.”
  • Mangal Anand Saraswati You have no real understanding of the Reality or direct experience of God So i will continue along my way with respect sir.....Thankyou kindly for your time.......
  • Santthosh Kumaar Dear sir, I do not dispute about your experience. As per understnding and realzation:- The God is not an experince. No one can experience God(Atman) because God is prior to any experience. Any experince is possible in the realm of duality. the duality is not reality in the ream of ultimate truth or Brahman. --With love , respect and regards. Thank you. Have a blissful time