Thursday, March 21, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -358

Trev Light Bown

It is all a question of what you mean by soul centric reason. How can there be reasoning without mind activity?. Does Ramana or any other Ghani mention this. ?

SK:- First one has to know what is mind. Thee seeker has to have intense urge to know the truth and start a fresh then only it is possible to understand, assimilate and realize what I am driving one at. Till one thinks the mind is within the body he will never be able to become soul-centric. When one realizes what is mind? What is the substance of the mind?  and what is the source of the mind?,   then he will know what is truth and ‘what is untruth’. The knowledge based on some books or some teacher is not yardstick. 

 Deeper self-search revels the fact that, the self is neither the waking entity nor the self is dream entity but the self is the formless soul, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states. If self is not the waking entity (ego or you) ,which is the false self within the false experience(waking) then it is erroneous to view and judge the truth on the ego which is the false self. Thus the truth is unfolded only when one becomes soul-centric. It takes a long time to become soul-centric.  

The words betray the hollowness. The real cannot be described; it must be discovered and realized. Whatever the words try to convey is only helpful to grasp the truth. The non-dual truth has to be grasped and realized.  Man knows only the world, and his individual experiences within the world.   He is not aware of the fact that, he and his experience of the world are part of the illusion. He views and judges the truth on the base of his birth entity, which is false entity, thus he is stuck in the muck of illusion or duality. The non-dual truth lies beyond the physical based understanding.  Thus, it is necessary to verify the fact through deeper inquiry, analysis and reasoning about his own inherited beliefs and accumulated knowledge, in order to realize, how they become obstacle in realizing the truth. 

The physical conditioning of the soul will be dropped only when it realizes the fact that, the physical self or ego is not the self. Thus struggling to get rid of the ego and ego based conditioning or samskara is a foolish venture. 

Constant mental pounding is necessary through constant reflecting on the truth that, the soul is the true self and on the base of the soul all else is mere mirage/illusion.  When one grasps these truth and becomes firm in his conviction the physical conviction drops and the nondual wisdom dawns.  Thus, one becomes aware of the non-dual truth in the midst of the experience of duality or illusion.

Knowledge of the self-gathered from books or gurus can never emancipate a man until its truth is rightly investigated and applied; only direct realization will do that. Realize yourself, turning the mind inward.  

Seeker has to realize the fact that the right path to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is the inner (mental) path.   

If one is seeking truth one has to drop all religious based dogmas and blind beliefs ritualistic baggage and move forward in their pursuit of truth. 

There is need to study the scriptures. One has to self-search the truth and realize it without the scriptures. And then when he reads the scriptures he becomes aware the scriptures are also saying the same thing but everything is misinterpreted. 

 Mundaka Upanishad  :- This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature 3 page70upanhsds by Nikilananda

It means the truth is beyond scriptures and egocentric intelligence.  Thus in order to grasp, assimilate and realize the non-dualistic truth the seeker to employ soul-centric reasoning faculty.  

That is why Sri, Sankara says in commentary in Vedanta sutra that what is accepted without proper enquiry will not lead a person to the final goal. On the contrary, such acceptance will result only in evil, in something which is detrimental to our spiritual progress.   Seeker of truth should not believe blindly in traditional orthodox non-duality without verifying all the facts from every angle. One has to reflect through reasoning over and over again without getting tired of the process. 

That is why Sri, Sankara:-   58. Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill in expounding the Scriptures, and likewise erudition - these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment to the scholar, but are no good for Liberation.

59. The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.
61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realisation one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

There is nothing more rational, more intelligible and more un-dogmatic insights of Sri, Sankara, is to drop all the theistic non-duality or Advaita which is meant for those who are incapable and not receptive to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.

 If one merely theorizes, tries to understand through his intellect and there contended he cannot become a Gnani but he becomes a scholar or pundit.   Seeker of truth must make what he has understood and assimilated has to be  realized, to get firm conviction of the non- dualistic truth or ultimate truth or Brahman,   than only it is possible for him to transcend all the limitations of the experience of form, time and space.    

The existence beyond limitations of form, time and space is known as Moksha or Nirvana. Spiritual freedom or self-realization is the goal of every seeker of truth.