Friday, March 29, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion -377

Trev Light Bown:-  It seems Dada Bhagwan is saying same as you. "Post on my page".
But knowledge even 100% is not awakening as Gnani. This is the awakening being claimed by many modern western Advaita teachers. Then they recant and say they were not really awake after all.

A direct insight into formless non duality consciousness is a life changing experience and can happen to those who are not spiritually minded.

Many "near death experiencers" report being at peace beyond words, or an uninterested observer in the out of body state. This has now been reported in near scientific laboratory conditions.. So The question is about knowledge.

Are you saying "mind knowledge" is all that is required to awaken as gnani, or is a direct experience. ?

SK. I never heard of this Dadashri. I have nothing to say about others, nor am I interested knowing who teaches what. If anyone is sharing Self- knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana they are doing a great help to the humanity. I respect everyone who is sharing self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

Only those who have directly known, truly understand the Truth, and can have the perseverance and passion to sharing it.

Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana does not belong to any RELIGION, Guru or yogi it is universal property. Wherever there is guru and disciple, worships and prayers ,beliefs and faith there is no Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

On page 482: On Gnani: "The knower of Brahman wears no signs. Gives up the insignia of a monk's life…his signs are not manifest, nor his behavior." When the knower of Brahman wears no signs it means he does not identify himself as Guru or teacher.

Dattatreya's Song of the Avadhut 1.36-42- Non-duality is taught by some; some others teach duality. They don't understand that the all-pervading Reality is beyond both duality and non-duality.

When the self is birthless because it is formless . then what is the use of discussing about the experience of birth,life and death. All the talks of birth,life,death and the world and religious god belongs to duality (form). The duality is mere illusion created out of soul or consciousness. The experience of birth,life,death and the world are made of single stuff. that single stuff is consciousness. Thus talking about THE EXPERIENCE of birth,life,death and the world is Atamic discussion is an error.