Tuesday, July 23, 2013

Adyathmic discussion --400 ( no experience nor the experiencer)***





  • Hello Santthosh
    I have been reading your article called "The Dream Illustration" on Speaking Tree and I would like to make sure that I understand what you are saying. Do you mean that the world and my character are like a mirage in a dream? And do you mean that everything is a mirage appearing in consciousness, made only of consciousness?
    Thanks
    Cliff
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  • Santthosh Kumaar



    Dearest brother C,
     As per my conviction:-
    How does one see various objects, scenes and persons during dreams? If the dream is experienced without the physical body, then what is it that experiences the dream? Therefore, there must be a formless witness of the dream world. This formless witness is the same witness that is witnesses this Waking experience also. Therefore, the Waking experience and dream both are witnessed by one and only formless witness of which the seeker is not aware of.
    Since he considers the waking entity(ego) as the self or witness and views and judges the world-view on the standpoint of the waking entity or ego ,which is the false self, within the false experience(waking) . The formless witness can exist with or without the waking or dream. But the waking or dream ceases to exist, without the formless witness.
    The gross Waking experience is merged into the mental experience in the sense that, when it is analyzed, it is found to exist inseparably in and as the mind alone. All "spiritual" planes are really mental: those who regard them as different or higher are deceiving themselves.
    The dream becomes unreal when the waking takes place; similarly the waking becomes unreal when the wisdom dawns. Therefore, everything has to be grasped mentally, not argued on the intellectual point of view, which is limited to the false physical entity within the false experience.
    The unreal is created out of real, and when one views and judges on the standpoint unreal (ego) then there is duality. When one is able to view and judge on the standpoint of real (Atman or soul, the innermost self ) then there is only non -duality. Therefore, when the wisdom dawns then there is neither duality, nor non-duality, only reality.
    All these confusions will go on, until man thinks, he is an individual and apart from the world, and the world existed prior to him and he is born in it afterwards. Therefore, it is necessary to know the fact that, the real self is not ego, but the real self is the soul.
    If the soul is the real self,  then the seeker has to stop viewing and judging the world-view on the standpoint of the physical self (ego). and he has to learn to  view and judge on the base of the  formless soul, the innermost self , to realize the fact that, the world along with the man is an illusion.
    The formless substance from which the illusion is created is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness . This Atman (soul) is Brahman or ultimate reality. Thus, no second thing exists other than the soul or consciousness. Thus, there is no experience nor the experiencer in non-dual reality but only self-awareness.
    with love,respect and regards
    santthosh