“Me’ itself is myth.

“Me’ itself is myth. Thus whatever is connected to the “me” is bound to be myth.  The substance and witness of the “me” is formless and nondual.  The “me” is not limited to the body but it pervades the whole universe.   The universe is in the form of mind appears as waking or dream [duality] and disappears as deep sleep [nonduality]. Limiting the “me” to the physical entity is cause of the ignorance.  Thus, there is a need to understand the fact that “me” is   not the self, but the formless substance and witness of the “me “[universe or mind] is the true self, which is consciousness.

If “me” is there the universe or mind is there. Absent of “me” is absent of mind or universe.   The true self, which is consciousness, can remain with or without the “me” [mind or universe]. But the “me”, which is mere mirage, ceases to exist without the consciousness.   Thus holding the “me”, which is mere mirage is erroneous.

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Q:- Consciousness is a different faculty, Consciousness is ananda-moy cosa where-as, mind is a very different enigma. To know mind one should dive deep in the releam of mano-moy cosa. Mind is the 50% of reverberatory boyancy of atoned dispeled charge from ananda-moy cosa and the balance is the logic and rand charge boyancy dispeled from prana-moy cosa and anna-moy cosa which is dispeled by quantum relevence of karmatic logic. The idiom of human mind is the most enigmatic causal science, which next to impossible to comprehend until soul realization is attained. Wish you all the best in research of mind and consciousness.

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Pranamas,

Thank you. I respect your views but when the one goes in deeper self-search he becomes aware of the fact that:- 

All kosha are mere imagined theory based on the ego or waking entity, which is false self, within the false experience(waking). Because everyone thinks the mind is within the body, whereas the body is within the mind, which is in the form of universe.

If mind is there then only the universe is there.  If universe is there then only the all its contents are there. Absent of mind is absent of universe and its contents. Absent of universe is absent of individual experience of birth, life and death.  The universe appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep. The formless witness of the appearance of waking and dream is consciousness, which is the true self.  

On the base of soul or  consciousness as self, the universe or mind is mere mirage.  The formless witness itself is the substance of the mind. Thus the mind (universe) and the self, which is consciousness, are one in essence because the mind, which is in the form of universe, is erupted out of the consciousness.  Thus everything within the mind is created out of consciousness. Thus everything is consciousness. Therefore, there is no scope for second thing other than consciousness because the body and the universe are also consciousness. Therefore the universe, which is in the form of mind, is mere mirage created out of consciousness.  

 Therefore, kosha are mere divisions imagined and assumed because, when the self is not the body (form)but self is consciousness (formless)   there is no scope for division.  Only when one thinks the physical body as self then only there is scope for division within the consciousness.

Wisdom leads to  Self- Awareness in the midst of waking experience.  Wisdom dawns  when waking entity realizes    the self neither the waking entity  nor the self is dream entity but the self is the formless soul.  Soul as  the innermost self . The world, the body, relationships – all are external to the formless soul, which is present in the form of  consciousness. 

Thus all these scriptural theories hold no water when one becomes aware of the fact that the body is not the self. Thus all the theories based on the body as self-hold no water. 

When the Vedas and Upanishad declare that Consciousness or Atman is actually nothing but Brahman, then why go round and round, by various tortuous paths, like the blind led by the blind. One has to realize the fact that, the mind is in form of universe.  Trace the source of mind and realize that source is consciousness. The mind rises from consciousness as waking or dream and subsides as deep sleep.   

In Mandukya Upanishad Brahman and Atman are defined as same:-

सर्वं ह्येतद् ब्रह्मायमात्मा ब्रह्म सोयमात्मा चतुष्पात् / sarvam hyetad brahmaayamaatmaa brahm soyamaatmaa chatushpaat –

Mandukya Upanishad, verse-2

Translation:

sarvam(सर्वम्)- Whole/All/Everything; hi(हि)- Really/Just/Surely/Indeed; etad(एतद्)- This here/This; brahm(ब्रह्म)- Brahm/Brahman; ayam(अयम्)- This/Here; aatmaa(आत्मा)- Atma/Atman; sah(सः)- He; ayam(अयम्)- This/Here; chatus(चतुस्)- Four/Quadruple; paat(पात्)- Step/Foot/Quarter

Fragmented Verse:

सर्वम् हि एतद् ब्रह्म अयम् आत्मा ब्रह्म सः अयम् आत्मा चतुस पात् / sarvam hi etad brahm ayama aatmaa brahm sah ayam aatmaa chatus paat

Simple Meaning:-

All indeed is this Brahman; This Atman is Brahman; He, this Atman has four steps/quarters.

While Brahman lies behind the sum total of the objective universe, some human minds boggle at any attempt to explain it with only the tools provided by reason. Brahman is beyond the senses, beyond the mind, beyond intelligence, beyond imagination. Indeed, the highest idea is that Brahman is beyond both existence and non-existence, transcending and including time, causation and space, and thus can never be known in the same material sense as one traditionally 'understands' a given concept or object.

Imagine a person who is blind from birth and has not seen anything. Is it possible for us to explain to him the meaning of the colour red. Is any amount of thinking or reasoning on his part ever going to make him understand the sensation of the colour red? In a similar fashion the idea of Brahman cannot be explained or understood through material reasoning or any form of human communication. Brahman is like the colour red; those who can sense it cannot explain or argue with those who have never sensed it.

Brahman is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (brahmano hi pratisthaham, Bhagavad Gita 14.27)

In Advaita Vedanta: - Brahman is without attributes and strictly impersonal. It can be best described as infinite Being, infinite Consciousness and infinite Bliss. It is pure knowledge itself, similar to a source of infinite radiance. Since the Advaitins regard Brahman to be the Ultimate Truth, so in comparison to Brahman, every other thing, including the material world, its distinctness, the individuality of the living creatures and even Ishvara (the Supreme Lord) itself are all untrue. Brahman is the effulgent cause of everything that exists and can possibly exist. Since it is beyond human comprehension, it is without any attributes, for assigning attributes to it would be distorting the true nature of Brahman. Advaitins believe in the existence of both Saguna Brahman and Nirguna Brahman; however they consider Nirguna Brahman to be the absolute supreme truth. 

Chandogya Upanishad:- One who meditates upon and realizes the self discovers that everything in the cosmos-- energy and space, fire and water, name and form, birth and death, mind and will, word and deed, mantram and meditation--all come from the Self.

So, it clearly says the one who meditate upon the self (consciousness) discovers that everything in the cosmos-- energy and space, fire and water, name and form, birth and death, mind and will, word and deed, mantram and meditation--all come from the Self. Therefore , there is a need to know the fact that ,the true self is not physical but the soul in order to realize the fact that :  the cosmos-- energy and space, fire and water, name and form, birth and death, mind and will, word and deed, mantram and meditation--all come from the Self, which is in the form of consciousness. 

Atman is Brahman. Brahman /Christ/the Absolute is alone real; this waking is unreal; and the three states are non-different from Brahman/Christ. 

Whatever is, is Brahman/Christ. Brahman/Christ itself is absolutely homogeneous. All difference and plurality are illusory."  Brahman/Christ is not a person, as the Absolute is not this. But if one wants to call it God/Paramataman, then fine. But it is not a person. Personifying it can make it easier to understand.

To realize the ultimate truth is the prime goal. 

All the scriptures indicate that Ataman is Brahman, and Brahman is ultimate truth. Therefore the consciousness, which is in the form of consciousness, is ultimate truth.  Thus to realize the ultimate truth is the prime goal.   A well-directed inquiry, analysis and reasoning will lead one to his nondual destination. 

Studying of scriptures is not necessary

The Upanishads clearly indicate:-

This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Atman reveals Its own form. (Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20)

This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature. (3 –page-70 Mundaka Upanishad (Upanishads by Nikilanada)

Ramana Maharishi explains [in page 111/112- practical guide to know yourself]:-

Q: D: Is it not necessary to study the Vedas or at least Prastnatraya (Bagvad gita.Dasoponishad and Brahma Sutra all with commentaries) to ensure firm realization?

A: Bhagvan: - No. Do you need all that to see yourself? All that is intellectual wealth, useful in explain doubts and difficulties if others rise them if you yourself encounter them in course of thinking. But to attain realization, all that is not necessary. You want fresh water to drink, but you do not require all the water of the river Ganges to quench your quest.

Ramana Maharishi said fortunate are the one who do not lose themselves in the labyrinths of philosophy. Bhagwan says: Take Vedanta, for instance: it speaks of 15 pranas the names and functions of it   which the student is asked to commit memory. Will it not be sufficient if he thought only one prana does the whole work of maintaining the body? Again the antakaran is said to think, to desire, to will, to reason etc. Why all these details? Has anyone seen antakarana, or all these pranas? Do they really exist? They are conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis. Where do all these concepts end? Why should confusion created and then explained away? Fortunate is the man who does not lose himself in the labyrinths of philosophy, but goes straight to the source from which they all arise. (GURU RAMANA .By S.S Cohen -vii Danger of philosophy-Page -58-59)

The above passages further prove that: Self-Knowledge cannot be attained by study of the Vedas and intellectual understanding or by bookish knowledge.  Therefore there is no use of studying the Vedas and other scriptures in order to acquire the non-dual wisdom.  That is why Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sri, Sankara indicated that, the ultimate truth lies beyond religion, concept of god and scriptures.  

They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Ataman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. (Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada)

Therefore, there is no use of taking strain to understand assimilate the conceptual divisions invented by teachers of philosophy by their excessive analysis. There are more and more doubts and confusions, if one tries to understand and assimilate the ultimate truth through scriptures. 

 Why to follow the path of doubts and confusion by losing oneself in the labyrinths of philosophy, when one can realize the ultimate truth without them.  By mentally tracing the source of the mind from where it rises and subsides one becomes aware of the fallacy of the mind, which rises as waking or dream and subsides as deep sleep.  The mind raises form consciousness and subsides as consciousness.  Therefore, there is a need for perfect understanding assimilation of non-dual truth.  

There is no need to renounce the worldly life to get Self-Realization. Any householder can attain it if has the inner urge. 

ASHTAVAKRA SAMHITA: - "The man of knowledge, though living like an ordinary man, is contrary to him and only those like him understand his state.

The unreal universe or mind is erupted out of the real, which is consciousness

Investigation of the Self and Investigations of the 3 states of existence - waking, sleeping, deep sleep will revels the fact that,  the self has a single unitary existence; its inherent nature is "Existence, Consciousness and Bliss". Universe and its contents are truly this at its core, but have seemingly forgotten about their true nature, in the present state of duality, which is caused by ignorance of the reality.

The nondual bliss is not an individual experience but it is the nature of the consciousness, which is the true self.  Consciousness pervades all the three states thus the self is not limited to the waking entity or waking world or dream entity or dream world.  Consciousness is the formless witness of all the three states and witnesses the waking or dream experience as a whole without the physical apparatus.

This uninterrupted Blissful state is achievable by every being in this life itself, once he/she realizes this and works towards discarding the "unreal” by discriminating between real and unreal mentally.

Consciousness, which is the “true self”, does not have birth, life and death. It has not taken birth and it will not take birth. It is beyond birth, life and death, it is immortal, and it is ancient, it does not perish when the mind, which is in the form of universe, perishes. The universe or mind is like the wave of the sea but not the sea, which is the “true self” or consciousness.

Consciousness cannot be cut, cannot be burnt, cannot be melted; neither can be dried. It is eternal, unmoveable, unlike the universe or mind which perishes.   It is the cause of duality. It is the consciousness or self, which oversees the duality or the universe or the mind.   

The consciousness projects itself as the inherent power of the universe.  The self-i.e., Consciousness is the essence of all happenings and circumstances in, which the seeker attempts to know the truth of his true existence.

All experiences of individual actions, conducts happenings are within the universe are mere mirage created out of the true self, which is consciousness. All the conceivable actions and happenings are attributable to the true self in the form consciousness.  

Consciousness is real and consciousness is both real and unreal, because the unreal universe or mind is erupted out of the real, which is consciousness. Whoever does not know the truth that the self is consciousness, falls prey to his ignorance and suffers by experiencing the illusory pain and pleasure as reality.   

All the experiences of  happenings such as birth, life and death, good or bad pain and pleasure, past ,present and future are mere mirage created out of consciousness itself . When wisdom dawns, the ignorance vanishes and   the consciousness alone prevails as eternal reality.       

Self-Knowledge is achievable without the grace of any guru or conceptual god or the mercy of some god men. Seeker has to simply wake up to the Reality [consciousness], which is the formless substance and witness of the unreality [universe of mind].

At the end of the quest the seeker becomes aware of the fact that, the true self is consciousness.  There is nothing exists other than consciousness. Thus consciousness is Ultimate Reality.

 Consciousness is being identified by another name "Nothingness", because truly if there was Nothingness in the end, there must be one "final witness" to that Nothingness.

The “Self” is neither the breath nor breather; because “Self” is the cause of the breather and the breath and it, itself is uncaused.

The universe is abode of the multifarious beings things and experiences. Everything is bound by form time and space. It gives the feeling that everything is well ordained cause and cause leads to result.  Religious theory that Material concept of universe in resists the concept of personal god and universe exists and things will happen in the manner in which they do without the interference of the god or Supreme Being.  The diversity of experiences human beings enjoy and suffers leads him to visualizing the God inherent in all the things and happenings determining their destiny is mere Religious theory based on the false self.

 Therefore, it is necessary to inquire, analyse and reason to realize the fact that, the self is not physical [form] but the self is consciousness [formless]. When one becomes aware of the fact that , the self is not the form but the self is formless. Then whatever seen, known, believed and experienced as form bound to be false hood. All the religious theories, yogic theories or any theories are mere speculation based on the form base, which is the false base. Thus religion and yoga are based on the false self are not the means for Self-Realization.  

The true self, is in the form of consciousness that pervades in all the being and both animates and inanimate, meaning it pervades the whole universe, which is in the form of mind.   The consciousness is imperishable is present in the universe, which is perishable.

One will be able to grasp, assimilates, understands and realizes this truth, only when he is able to view the universe or mind, on the base of the true self, which is formless.  

The paradox of the duality is solved when one understands that, the universe is the manifestation of the consciousness.  Thus, universe [mind], which is full of diversity, is created out of single substance, which is consciousness. The duality [universe] ceases to be real, when one becomes aware of its formless substance and witness, which is consciousness.  Thus, consciousness alone is real and the universe is unreal.

There is no time when the consciousness is not. The consciousness pervades all the three states. Consciousness exits with or without the waking or dream experiences as their formless substance and witness. The universe perishes but the formless substance and witness of the universe, which is consciousness , will prevail eternally.

Whoever considers “Self” [consciousness] to be the breath and whoever considers the self to be the breather, do not realize the truth.  The “Self” is neither the breath nor breather; because “Self” is the cause of the breather and the breath and it, itself is uncaused. The breather ant the breath are part of the mirage.   The universe or mind is mere mirage created out of consciousness, which is the true self.    

The self is self-evident, and no one can deny its existence for it is the basis of all the three states.

The mind, which is in the form of universe, is unreal because it is the "Seen", like a dream.  The reality and existence of the soul, which is in the form of consciousness, the most fundamental substance of the mind, which is in the form of universe, cannot be questioned, for this truth is self-evident. The consciousness is the true self.  In fact, the self does not need any proof.

The self is self-evident, and no one can deny its existence for it is the basis of all the three states. Everyone is conscious of the existence of his self and never thinks that it is in the form of consciousness.

 To doubt the existence of the self would be a contradiction in terms because then one would doubt the existence of the very doubter who engages in doubt.  The existence of the doubter itself is based on the consciousness. Thus he has to find the reality of his own existence. 

Without the existence of the self, which is in the form of consciousness it is impossible for us to entertain the idea or even to be capable of refutation. Because the knowledge of the self is not established through the so-called means of right knowledge, it is self-established.

Thus, the very existence of understanding and its functions presuppose the intelligence known as the self, that is self-established, different from these functions and on which they depend.

Both the possibility of knowledge and the means of knowledge have relevance if there would be the self that is the source of all knowledge. Therefore, consciousness, which is the true self, is beyond all doubt, "for it is the essential nature of him who denies it. Therefore, it is the nature of the self, not its reality or existence, which is to be proved. The self must seek itself in order to find what it is, not that it is.

 Consciousness pervades all the three states as their formless substance and witness. It is formless without any parts, without qualities, spotless, having no abilities like going and coming, etc., devoid of ideas of `me' and `mine' and also of desire, aversion and effort. 

It possessing no organs like the intellect, etc., free from attributes. It is neither the breath nor the breather.  It is untouched by the individual experiences of birth, life and death, which happens within the universe. The self, pervades all the three states. It is within the three states and it is the apart from the three states. It is apart because it is not and entity of identity within the three states.    

Consciousness is the deathless, birthless, eternal and real substance in all the three states. It is the unchanging reality behind the changing mind, which is in the form of universe. It is pure consciousness and it not affected by time, space and causality. It is limitless and without a second. In order to understand the true nature of consciousness one must discriminate the formless witness from three states.

To get realization or freedom, no qualification is actually needed.

To get realization or freedom,  no qualification is actually needed. It is possible to have the realization of the non-dual truth here, in this very life.

The universe appears as waking, dream (duality) and disappears as deep sleep (non-duality). Gaining the knowledge of the knower of the three states, is the only way one can transcend the triad of states.  To gain this knowledge by perfectly analyzing   the very states of dream and sleep in the waking to benefit from the states rather than becoming victims of the states.

A Gnani knows that the enjoyment of desires within the waking also is as unreal as in the dream, because he is fully aware of the fact that, the self is neither  the waking entity, nor the dream entity  but self that which witnesses the three states.  Thus, the universe, which appears as waking or dream is mere illusion created out of consciousness, which is the substance and witness of the three states.   

The pain and pleasure are part of the waking or dream. The waking or dream is an object to the true self, which is consciousness.

When awake, one should, first picture to himself vividly what he has seen in a dream and then carefully and constantly think over the conditions of dreaming and wakefulness and  analyse and realize the fact that the witness of the three states is formless and part. The witness is nothing to do with the individual happenings within the universe, which appears as waking or dream.   The dream entity and dream universe is nothing to do with the waking entity. The waking entity and the waking universe is nothing to do with dream entity.  In deep sleep the witness remains without the waking or dream experience.  In waking alone experience the waking entity is aware of the dream or deep sleep experiences but the waking entity was absent in dream or deep sleep. Thus one which is aware of the three states is neither the waking entity not the dream entity because the deeper inquiry revels the fact that the self is not physical but self is formless consciousness.   The one which witnesses the waking or dream is not the form but it is the formless, because the form is limited to the waking or dream.  Thus the witness is that which witness the waking or dream experience as a whole without the physical apparatus. 

Seeker must observe deeply and find out the essential similarity of the dream and waking experience. He should realize the fact that, the witness of the three states is formless and apart.  He should then give up the notion of the reality of the waking experience, same way he gives up the dream realities, when waking takes place   and cease to be attached to both waking or dream, by holding mentally  the formless witness as real and eternal.

Bhad upanishd- 8-p- -211 :- This Self is dearer than a son, dearer than wealth, dearer than everything else, because It is innermost

The soul is the real  self. The soul is in the form of consciousness. The formless substance and witness of the three states is consciousness.  The three states are one in essence.  Thus the three states are mere mirage created out of consciousness.  

One has to realize the fact that, it is not the waking entity (you) which witnesses the three states.  The formless soul is the witness of the coming and going of the three states. The soul is immutable. The soul is unaffected by the happening within the three states because the three states are mere mirage created out of the formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. The soul or consciousness is the innermost self. 

The self is neither the waking entity nor the self is dream entity but the self is the formless soul. The on the standpoint of the soul, the innermost self the three states are non-existent as reality.    

In the cloud there is nothing other than water, so too consciousness is nothing other than itself. It is the absolute without a second.

The moon reflecting on water and appearing as many, the self is just like the reflection of the moon on water which increases with the volume of water and decreases with its reduction, which moves when the water moves, and which differs as the water differs. The moon seems to conform to the characteristics of water, but in reality the moon never has these increasing or decreasing qualities. So also, from the highest point of view, consciousness always retains its sameness; it seems to conform to such characteristics as increase and decrease of the limiting adjunct, owing to its entry into such an adjunct as a universe. 

Thread is drawn from cotton and is woven into cloth. But the reality of cotton is in both of these forms, viz., thread and cloth. Similarly, the projections of names and forms of this material universe on consciousness do not alter the nature of consciousness. It remains as it is without any change.

 One can also illustrate the uniqueness of consciousness by analyzing the phenomenon of dreams. Dream is parallel waking experience. And waking experience is parallel. The three states are an object to the subject, which is formless consciousness. The consciousness is the formless substance and witness of the three states one is unaware of the subject because he considers the waking entity as self and views and judges the three states, which is erroneous.

The waking entity is limited to the waking experience, and the dream entity is limited to the dream experience. In deep sleep the waking or dream experiences are absent, thus the witness remains in its formless non-dual true nature, but due to ignorance of the true self, which is the substance and witness of the three states, one experiences the three states as reality. When one becomes aware of the formless witness of the three states then one becomes aware of the fact that, the three states are mere mirage on the standpoint of the true self, which is consciousness.  

Thus whatever seen, known, believed and experienced within the waking experience is falsehood.  Thus the experience of universe and birth, life and death are myth. Thus the belief of god, heaven, hell, paradise, sin, karma, rebirth, reincarnation is myth.  

Thus by worshiping individualized god and following religion studying scriptures are for those who are incapable of realizing the truth of their true existence.     

Bhad upanishd- 8-p- -211 :- This Self is dearer than a son, dearer than wealth, dearer than everything else, because It is innermost. If one holding the Self dear were to say to a person who speaks of anything other than the Self as dear, that he, the latter, will lose what he holds dear—and the former is certainly competent to do so—it will indeed come true. One should meditate upon the Self alone as dear. He who meditates upon the Self alone as dear—what he holds dear will not perish.

The true existence is consciousness without the form, time and space. Therefore the self is nothing other than the consciousness. However, this consciousness is not the flux of states, a stream of consciousness.

A permanent view of world as unreal can come only after soul centric reasoning; such knowledge cannot change. Were the seeker who is sufficiently sharpness he could grasp the unreal nature of the world by soul-centric reasoning alone.  To know whole truth, one must know the whole universe, otherwise he gets only half-truth. 

Renouncing the worldly life and accepting sanyasa or monk-hood means incapacity to think deeper, an impotency to inquire and reason. 

People speak of getting rid of conditioning or samskara but they themselves are unaware of the fact that, the universe in which they exist is product of the inborn samskara or conditioning.  The ignorance is cause of the inborn samskara or conditioning which present as ‘I’ or ‘I AM’. 

The real Moksha or freedom is   to realize the fact that ‘I’ consciousness is mere physical awareness. Physical awareness is not self-awareness. The self –awareness is when the formless soul or consciousness remains aware of its own non-dual   true nature.