Some organized religions follow monotheism where God is the supreme and none except him.

Theism is in traditional sense; it is the belief in at least one God. Monotheism is defined as the belief in only one god and polytheism is defined as belief in many gods.

Some organized religions follow monotheism where God is the supreme and none except him. These god centric faiths follow a particular code of conducts that the ‘believer’ has to follow without questioning. He cannot question those rules, the life of the sage or the ultimate God. The individualized gods God is isolated from the nature and everything is GOD’s. Thus an element of attachment to a name and gender, obstruction to free thinking and free will can be seen in all belief system.

History speaks   that in the past those who questioned the validity of this religious authority were exiled, killed or termed as irreligious and condemned. 

Theism, in this specific sense, conceives of God as personal, present and active in the governance and organization of the world and the universe.

Mundaka Upanishad/3/1/8: Eye cannot see him, nor words reveal him; by the senses, austerity, or works he is not known. When the mind is cleansed by the grace of wisdom, he is seen by contemplation–the One without parts.

Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad/ 3/8/9: It is in truth that Imperishable, O Gargi, who is not seen but is the seer, who is not heard but is the hearer, who is not thought but is the thinker, who is not known but is the knower. There is no other seer but him, no other hearer but him, no other thinker but him, no other knower but him. And it is that Imperishable which is the warp and the woof of space.

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Thus, the Vedic scriptures recognize the unity of REALITY without any human intervention or intercession. 

Religion and mysticism is a species of mesmerism affecting weaker or impressionable minds. Thus the panoply of a guru’s religious robes or presence of god men creates unconscious suggestion in weaker minds of a superior power or magical knowledge. Similarly, mass visitors to ashrams are suggested into thinking they experience great peace and their wishes will be fulfilled if they unconditionally surrender to guru or god men.  Since they are unconsciously hypnotized into believing that will happen. However, when a strong mind which is aware of the truth meets a guru or god men are entirely unaffected.  Whatever happening within the waking experience is part of the duality, thus it cannot be part of the reality. 

Brihad Aranyaka Upanishad (/3/7/3 – 22):- 

3. “He who dwells in the earth, yet is other than the earth, whom the earth does not know, whose body is the earth, who controls the earth from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

4.”He who dwells in the waters, yet is other than the waters, whom the waters do not know, whose body is the waters, who controls the waters from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

5.”He who dwells in the fire, yet is other than the fire, whom the fire does not know, whose body is the fire, who controls the fire from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

6″He who dwells in space, yet is other than space, whom space does not know, whose body is space, who controls space from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

7.”He who dwells in the wind, yet is other than the wind, whom the wind does not know, whose body is the wind, who controls the wind from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

8.”He who dwells in the sky, yet is other than the sky, whom the sky does not know, whose body is the sky, who controls the sky from within– he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

9. “He who dwells in the sun, yet is other than the sun, whom the sun does not know, whose body is the sun, who controls the sun from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

10. “He who dwells in the regions of space, yet is other than the regions of space, whom the regions of space do not know, whose body is the regions of space, who controls the regions of space from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

11. “He who dwells in the moon and the stars, yet is other than the moon and the stars, whom the moon and the stars do not know, whose body is the moon and stars, who controls the moon and the stars from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

12. “He who dwells in the atmosphere, yet is other than the atmosphere, whom the atmosphere does not know, whose body is the atmosphere, who controls the atmosphere from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

13. “He who dwells in the darkness, yet is other than the darkness, whom the darkness does not know, whose body is the darkness, who controls the darkness from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

14. “He who dwells in the light, yet is other than the light, whom the light does not know, whose body is the light, who controls the light from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

“So far with reference to the divinities. Now with reference to beings.

15. “He who dwells in all beings, yet is other than all beings, whom all beings do not know, whose body is all beings, who controls all beings from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

“So far with reference to beings. Now with reference to the body.

16. “He who dwells in the life breath, yet is other than the life breath, whom the life breath does not know, whose body is the life breath, who controls the life breath from within–he is the ‘Atman’  within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

18. “He who dwells in the eye, yet is other than the eye, whom the eye does not know, whose body is the eye, who controls the eye from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

19. “He who dwells in the ear, yet is other than the ear, whom the ear does not know, whose body is the ear, who controls the ear from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

20. “He who dwells in the mind, yet is other than the mind, whom the mind does not know, whose body is the mind, who controls the mind from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

21. “He who dwells in the skin, yet is other than the skin, whom the skin does not know, whose body is the skin, who controls the skin from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

22. “He who dwells in the understanding, yet is other than the understanding, whom the understanding does not know, whose body is the understanding, who controls the understanding from within–he is the ‘Atman’ within you, the Inner Controller, the immortal.

The above verses show that the creator is the life force of living beings and the dynamism of the cosmos. This also shows the dual aspect of REALITY being manifested, yet, unmanifested, known, yet unknown and being inside yet being outside.

These are merely addressing some of the most common criticisms heaped against Hinduism to show how misplaced and abrahamic their understanding of Hinduism is and in fact, going by their own play book, specifically on monotheism, the Vedic discourse itself completely refutes them, for, Vedic metaphysics is not dependent on the need for believing in a human messenger to attain salvation.

In deep sleep the entire universe disappears as consciousness, that is, it becomes unreal.

In deep sleep the entire universe disappears as consciousness, that is, it  becomes unreal. Therefore, the different states are really relative to each other. In truth when the self  gets the conscious of Reality, there is no distinction between the three states.

The term experience must be used differently from the term illusion. An experience is any passing fancy or any feeling or any desire which comes and goes as waking or dream.

 A mirage is not an experience in the sense however, a sensation of some object which is apparently outside the  soul ,the innermost self. Thus one will form an idea of a car whereas he will have the thought of driving the car from one town to another.

The point to be noted is that the dreamer may imagine himself to be dancing, drinking or flying when in waking life, he never does any of these. Hence his dream ego is entirely a concocted one, fictitious and superimposed on reality. Precisely, the same applies to the waking ego.

 Waking experience includes the others because it is only when one is awake that he knows dream and sleep exists. During dream, he takes it for the time being as though it was waking, and he is unable to know otherwise. The necessary contrast to enable him to distinguish between the states can only be effected whilst awake, when only he can perceive that waking is only a state that comes and goes; he cannot perceive this during dream or sleep. Hence realization can only be effected in the waking experience. Therefore, the seekers  to analyze the three states.

                        

When in a dream, if one is  aware that all the forms, that one see are of the same stuff as the essence of the mind; it is knowledge; the dream ceases to be a dream with its reality, and it comes and goes as simply as mirage.

When mind is present then  at it is waking experience; when it is still as in sleep the waking experience disappears. Therefore, by comparison one can infer and agreement that the existence of the Waking experience is connected with the duality which is mind. 

The attributes however, of the mountain one see in dream i.e. its hardness, sizes form is in the mind. Similarly, in the Waking experience, the attributes however, of the various people and objects, are in the mind. Mind ceases to work in sleep and death However, its basis still continues and must continue.

Everything exists in Deep Sleep, and from it one gets the whole Waking experience and dream.

Many people claim that they spoken to God but they are unaware of the fact that, no conceptual God can exist, apart from formless soul consciousness, the innermost self.

Many people claim that they spoken to God but they are unaware of the fact that, no conceptual God can exist, apart from formless soul  consciousness, the innermost self.

People are not aware of the fact that, there is no individual God can exist, apart from soul, which is in the form of consciousness. Thus the soul or Consciousness is the true self. If there is no consciousness, then there is no body, no ego, no universe, no religion and no conceptual god.

People think that there must be a creator of this universe. If one thinks physical entity or ego as self, then there is a creator, but if one thinks the consciousness or consciousness as the Self, then there is nothing exists other than the consciousness, which is the true self.

If one objectifies and sees a universe, then he is bound to see many things beside himself and postulate a God, the creator. Body, God and world rise and set together from, and into, the soul or consciousness, the innermost self. If God is apart from the ‘Self ‘, then He would be Self-less, that is, outside existence, that is, non-existent.

Atman is Brahman and Brahman is GOD.

Brahman is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (brahmano hi pratisthaham, Bhagavad Gita 14.27)

In Advaita Vedanta: - Brahman is without attributes and strictly impersonal. It can be best described as infinite Being, infinite Consciousness and infinite Bliss. It is pure knowledge itself, similar to a source of infinite radiance. Since the Advaitins regard Brahman to be the Ultimate Truth, so in comparison to Brahman, every other thing, including the material world, its distinctness, the individuality of the living creatures and even Ishvara (the Supreme Lord) itself are all untrue. Brahman is the effulgent cause of everything that exists and can possibly exist. Since it is beyond human comprehension, it is without any attributes, for assigning attributes to it would be distorting the true nature of Brahman. Advaitins believe in the existence of both Saguna Brahman and Nirguna Brahman; however they consider Nirguna Brahman to be the absolute supreme trut

People make their accumulated knowledge as a yardstick and argue on their own standpoint. Such discussion will not lead anywhere because all the accumulate knowledge are based on the ego and the truth is based on the soul. Thus such discussion will not lead anywhere because they are totally based on different pole. Our reasoning and judgment has to be soul centric not egocentric. It is foolish to accept the truth without verification. 

 

Only when one becomes aware of that he is in bondage, when he gets the idea of the soul. He tries to know the soul, which is inner most self.   When he becomes aware of the fact that, the inner most self is not the form but it is formless, then only the urge of liberation arises. Once this urge arises then it is impossible to get rid of it. Thus he becomes restless until he becomes aware of the truth he is seeking for.  

The soul, which is the innermost self, is in the form of consciousness. The self is prior to all, bondage and liberation, truth and falsehood. Its existence is self-proved, it cannot be doubted, for it is the essential nature of him who doubts it. 

It is known in immediate perception, prior to all proof. Self is eternal, immutable and complete. Bondage is its association with the three states through ignorance.  The self is neither the waking entity nor the dream entity but it is the formless witness of the waking or dream as the whole. Until one is ignorant he thinks on the base of his waking entity or ego as self and judges on the base of the ego or physical self. This is cause of ignorance and cause of all doubts and confusion. Therefore, his reasoning base has to be rectifies from form to formless in order to know what is truth and what is untruth.   

Soul is the true self. The true self is in the form of consciousness. Consciousness is something other than the physical existence because it cannot be traced as thing or an object. It pervades in everything and everywhere in the whole physical existence.  It is the cause of the physical existence and it itself is uncaused. 

Consciousness persists through all three states. One has to mentally negate all the three states in order to realize the fact that the witness is within the three states and it is without the three states. It is within the three states as their formless substance and it is without the three states as their formless witness. 

The true existence is consciousness without the form, time and space. Therefore the self is nothing other than the consciousness. However, this consciousness is not the flux of states, a stream of consciousness. 

Consciousness is the knower, knowledge, the known. It is infinite, transcendent, the essence of absolute knowledge. And it is also -illumined, free, and real. Thus the consciousness is the knower of all and all else is known other than consciousness. The known is mere illusion created out of the formless knower.  Therefore, the knower and the known are one in essence.   In reality there is neither the knower nor the known but only oneness. 

The various thoughts rise because of ignorance. The ignorance is because of experiencing the illusion as reality. Illusion will prevail until one is remains in the prison of his accumulating knowledge. The accumulated knowledge makes one more and more egoic.  And the egoic attitude will block one from acquiring the non-dual wisdom.  The truth cannot be bought in the spiritual super market, but seeker has to acquire it with his own mental effort by constant inquiry, analysis and reasoning.   Patience, humility and receptiveness are needed in pursuit of truth.  

Adythmic Discussion --211 -( Love)

 

 

 

 

 

Satyam Sam Singh

In true LOVE there is only acceptance and acceptance is the nature of Consciousness.

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    Santthosh Kumaar Love and hate are one in essence. Acceptance and non-acceptance is possible only in the realm of duality. Love implies duality . Duality is product of ignorance. Love without the lover is impossible. Love is necessary in practical life within the practical world but it is greatest hindrance in pursuit of truth. love keeps on in the realm of emotion. Emotion implies duality. till one drops all this accumulated dross he will never be able to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

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    Santthosh Kumaar Whatever is connected to duality is not reality. Never mix any other teaching and try to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana because seeker will never reach his non-dual destination. seeker has to start a fresh by burning all the accumulated dross. love and hate are physical attributes whereas the self is not physical because it is ever formless.

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    Santthosh Kumaar Love is connected to the birth entity and whatever connected to birth entity is bound to be falsehood because the self is birthless, timeless and space less. Love is limited to the form,time and space whereas the self is beyond form,time and space.

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    Satyam Sam Singh ♥ _/\_ ♥
    It is true love and hate... Acceptance and non acceptance are part of duality and it is product of ignorance.
    It depend how one look at the view... The same view can be identify differently by the two seer.
    It is the words which makes everything confuse... In the state of words (language) there is no understanding. It is wisely said languages are made for ignorant. One needs to understand the LOVE. It is not that love where hate is glued on other side...it is not that kind of love where there emotions attached.
    It is the LOVE where there is nothing but LOVE alone.
    Whole universe is manifestation of Consciousness. When there is Consciousness in everything and everywhere.... Where is the room for non acceptance... Is there even hate?
    No matter what is the person or the nature... God or bad... Killer or the saint... Consciousness is in everywhere and everything. Consciousness will never categorize nor individualize by the form and its actions because all the forms are the part of Consciousness itself.
    There is LOVE without hate.
    There is acceptance without non acceptance.
    It is beyond the form time and space.
    Consciousness is Love itself but it doesn't know itself as love. Because there is no feelings to be in love. It's only witnesses. The real LOVE only witnesses.

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    Santthosh Kumaar Witness and witnessed are one in essence the essence is wordless existence. when the thoughts and words along with the world are reduced in to the essence from which they are made of than there is non-dual Self-Awareness.

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    Satyam Sam Singh ♥ _/\_ ♥
    Thank You
    Sir. Love & Deep Respect... Self to Self.

Ignorant are struck with awe or reverence at the outer indications of renunciation, and thus they take a religious scholar or god men to be a Gnani.

Ignorant are struck with awe or reverence at the outer indications of renunciation, and thus they take a religious scholar or god men to be a Gnani. But the religious scholar or god men have no connection with the Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

By having no wife, no family, and no possessions" is not the qualification to acquire the non dual wisdom. By repressing these desires is anything to do in pursuit of truth. 

The first step is of knowing “the true Self." The second is to know the true self is Atman or consciousness." Then alone one knows the non dual truth and wisdom, i.e. the Atman is the ultimate truth.

Realizing the fact that, the True Self is not ‘I’, but the Atman or consciousness or soul, is the key that opens the door of non dual reality.

 This yoga helps only to stabilize the restless of the mind. The formula "What is I?" presupposes the existence of an ‘I’. ‘I’ is only an assumption. Before proceeding to act on such a formula seeker ought first to inquire whether ‘I’ is the self or not. 

Pursuit of truth starts from what one sees as a person, i.e. the world.  Non dual wisdom comes from both knowing the world and the true self. To leave out one of these parts is to prevent attainment of non dual wisdom.

"What is “I” is useful and certainly has a value, and gives some clue of the true self as the Witness and the witnessed. The man and the world face the true self. This truth has to be grasped. If the witnessed [waking/dream] is ignored, then "What is I” cannot give the full truth.

Who am ‘I’ is physical based inquiry; not the spiritualistic; the latter deals with the three states, whereas the former deals with a part only.

"Who am I" is physical based, because there, is no person in realm of truth but only in the illusion. The right way of inquiry is “What is I?"

  To reflect  on “What am   I?" can only yield the thought 'I', just as the yogi  who says "I will not think of beautiful bride" will end up by always thinking of her.

The inquiry “Who am I” is a physical, not a spiritual inquiry. It is centered on physicality and individuality. It is on a par with "What shall I be after death?" and "What shall I get as a reward if I pray to God?" It is purely ego-centered: it is an appeal to the interest in selfishness only. Seeker of truth has to lift their thoughts above ego and ask "What is ‘I’ or mind or universe or waking."

All the experiences of the three states  put together make the Atman or soul, not merely the ego which is present only in waking or dream questioning itself ''What am I.” 

Reflecting on the whole is the best way towards non dual destination: reflecting on the parts are only steps towards that.

• v  What is the first thing that one sees when waking takes place?

It is the world.  The mystic and believers  disregard this in order to think of self.

 Those who jump at once to Atman disregarding the world are mystics or religionists, not seekers of truth.

  If one doesn’t see objects, it does not mean he has non dual wisdom. Whoever looks at objects alone, at the external world, he is wholly ignorant. However, one, who looks at both the outside and inside, inquires; he is led towards self- knowledge.

Seeker of truth has to analyze both mind and matter to get at truth. The knowledge of the objective world and the knowledge of the truth of the self or the subject are necessary in pursuit of truth.  

In the beginning of path of inquiry one does it to please himself, not for truth; hence he asks "Who am I?" It helps the elementary stage of understanding of the fact that body is not the self and helps in loosening of the ego.