Thursday, August 16, 2012

Blind faith is the greatest obstacle in the pursuit of truth. Pursuit of truth demands deeper self-search People do not want to think deeply because it is too troublesome.



First Mundaka - Chapter 2 (8) - Fools, dwelling in darkness, but wise in their own conceit and puffed up with vain scholarship, wander about, being afflicted by many ills, like blind men led by the blind.


First Mundaka - Chapter 2 (9) - Children, immersed in ignorance in various ways, flatter themselves, saying: We have accomplished life's purpose. Because these performers of karma do not know the Truth owing to their attachment, they fall from heaven, misery-stricken, when the fruit of their work is exhausted.

First Mundaka - Chapter 2 (10) - Ignorant fools, regarding sacrifices and humanitarian works as the highest, do not know any higher good. Having enjoyed their reward on the heights of heaven, gained by good works, they enter again this world or a lower one.

Blind  faith is the greatest obstacle  in the pursuit of truth. Pursuit of truth demands deeper self-search People do not want to think deeply because it is too troublesome. They say why Worry about the to know the truth they have enough problem in practical world.  Such mindsets are not fit for pursuit of Truth. Without the inner urge one should not venture into pursuit of truth. 

Reasoning is interpretable in two ways. The defective interpretation is to apply it only to waking state, which is egocentric. The correct interpretation is to apply it to the three states, which is soul-centric. The latter leads to final settlement of the problems because it takes all data into consideration.

A   person, seeing a rope in dim light, mistakes it for a snake. He is as much frightened as he would have been if there had been a real snake there.  The snake is said to have ‘illusory reality’.  The illusory snake is described as a superimposition on the rope. The snake is not real, because, it is found on examination with a light that it never existed there. At the same time, it was experienced as reality till ignorance prevailed. Similarly, this waking experience experienced   as reality till wisdom dawns.  On the dawn of Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana it is known to have no existence apart from consciousness. Consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman. The waking experience is therefore said to be superimposed on consciousness same way as the dream is superimposed on the consciousness.  The  waking experience   is practical   reality,  because  it  is  real  until  the  attainment  of  Self-realisation.  Consciousness alone has absolute reality; because it is absolutely changeless because it is formless.      

One could go on and on but the point is that the Upanishads approach the Supreme immutable truth in multiple ways and try to articulate the manifest and un-manifest aspects of the Brahman.
For those that are deluded, the multiple points of view may amount to contradictory perceptions but Upanishads are the epitome of an attempted understanding of the immortal, immutable Brahman by mortals caught in the dynamism of this Universe.

Truth is the understanding of things in accordance with the scriptures, which contain records of the true experiences of the ancient seers. It is the same thing that when practiced, is called justice and when understood in accordance with the scriptures, is called truth. Therefore the mantra says that which is justice is truth. 


Everything has to be verified before accepting it as truth.  To be applied to every statement or assertion or speculations: It is “Is this true?” “Where is the proof?”

Opinions belong to scholasticism, not to Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. There is no scope for opinions in path of  wisdom.

A Gnani prefers not to cross examines others or indulge in argument and try to prove he is right others are wrong. He will say what he has to say.    He does not impose others to accept his statements. . He tries to expose their fallacies of every path and practices to help the serious seekers no to condemn their chosen paths. . By showing that all other paths and doctrines are erroneous, he reveals that the path of wisdom or Truth is left as the only alternative.

If one has a belief, it is because somebody else believes it; or the majority believes it--or it is his own experience. Is it religious authority or religious sanction or is it based upon a feeling of certainty? Does one believe it merely because it works well or is it true? If one asks the question of Truth, it becomes a question of philosophy. Does one’s belief rest upon Reason? Nearly all people want their own imagination, not truth.


Blind beliefs without verification and argument and interpretation on the base of false self( ego or waking entity)  are not verified knowledge therefore it is not truth.

v  What is the use of arguing on base of the birth entity, which is not the self?

v  What is the use of knowing what happens after death when the self is birthless

v  What is the use of thinking of the heaven and hell when the self is not an individual and it is never born and never dies?

When formless consciousness, is the innermost self, which pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states, what value the theoretical philosophies and scientific inventions   which are based on individual intellectuality will have.  

The consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman. Consciousness is ground of the universe, the consciousness is the first cause of the universe and it itself is uncaused

Ultimate truth cannot be defined in positive terms because any definition would mean limitation.  One has to realize the fact that, the universe and all its contents are a mere mirage created out of consciousness.  That means the mind and the soul, which is the innermost self are one in essence.  

Oneness is the nature of Brahman.



Brahman means ultimate truth. Oneness is the nature of Brahman.  The soul is the innermost self. The soul is present in the form of consciousness.  The nature of the consciousness is oneness. 

In scriptures one will find many way to realize Brahman but after getting all the information about all the path one has to begin to investigate, in order to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman cannot be realized through scriptures, religion or god or guru glorification because the ultimate truth or Brahman is beyond form, time and space whereas man and his experience of the world his religion, his belief of God are within the scope of form, time and space.  From ultimate standpoint form, time and space are illusion because they are one in essence.

Scriptures prescribe much way to find Brahman but they are mere information. After verifying all the information one will not find Brahman in of these.  One will never succeeds in realizing the ultimate truth unless his soul, the innermost self becomes restless for acquiring the ultimate truth of Brahman.  One must begin  to do his own home work without the scriptures , only then  it is possible to acquire Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

All the egocentric paths propagate that to be non-observant and to withdraw: keen powers of observation are desirable and will help, not hinder one’s pursuit of truth. Seeker should not do not run away from the world in ascetic fear or shyness of them. To simply accept the world to be Maya or illusion   without first verifying   and realizing   in what way the world is Maya or illusion, and inquiring into them thoroughly is to delude one own self.

Ramana Maharishi:-No. Do you need all that to see yourself? All that is intellectual wealth, useful in explain doubts and difficulties if others rise them or if you yourself encounter them in the course of thinking. But to attain realization, all that is not necessary. You want fresh water to drink, but you do not require all the water of the river Ganges to quench your thirst. (Page 111/112 of Practical guide to know yourself c/e by A.R.N).
This surely indicates Sri, Ramana Maharishi’s path is independent path nothing to with the religion and scriptures.
Even Upanishad say:This Atman cannot be attained by the study of the Vedas, or by intelligence, or by much hearing of sacred books. It is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Atman reveals Its own form. (Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20)
Mundaka Upanishad  :-This Atman cannot be attained through study of the Vedas, nor through intelligence, nor through much learning. He who chooses Atman—by him alone is Atman attained. It is Atman that reveals to the seeker Its true nature.(   3 –page-70  Mundaka Upanishad  Upanishads by Nikilanada)



The scriptures indicate that Ataman is Brahman, and Brahman is ultimate truth. Therefore the soul, which is in the form of consciousness, is ultimate truth.  Thus to realize the ultimate truth is the prime goal.   A well-directed inquiry, analysis and reasoning will lead one to his nondual destination. 
Self-Realization is direct realization of the ultimate truth or real god, in contrast with traditional paths, which are indirect. And the other paths cannot lead to the ultimate destination because they are based on the false self, which they hold as real self and false experience as reality. 
Until and unless one overcomes physical shackle it is impossible to understand and assimilate the nondual truth, which is beyond the physical existence or the universe.  Consciousness itself is lord of itself though not of the universe. And having nothing it has all.

Gaudapada quotes from the Upanishads:- "There's no plurality here"; "The Lord [Atman] through his powers appears to be many"; "those who are attached to creation or production or origination go to utter darkness"; "the unborn is never reborn, for who can produce him (Atman or consciousness)?”
It is only who base on ‘I’ or ‘I AM’ as self, argue and quarrel amongst themselves. The people who are fully aware of the fact that, the form, time and space are mere mirage created out of consciousness have no reason to quarrel, because for them everything is consciousness and no second thing exist other than consciousness. 

The innermost self is neither unknowable nor remains unknown at any moment.




But he who is truly wise Always sees the absolute Self. Celebrated, he is not delighted. Spurned, he is not angry. Pure of heart, He watches his own actions As if they were another's. How can praise or blame disturb him?
- Ashtavakra Gita 3:9-10

The  formless soul is the innermost self. The innermost self is neither unknowable nor remains unknown at any moment.  A Gnani  can guide one to something which always remains unknown. A  Gnani  can Guide , it means that he knows what he says. This transcendental state is quite easy or may be well-nigh impossible according as one is inward bent in peace or out-moving in restlessness. It cannot be taught if it always remains unknown.

The fact that the Vedas point to it only indirectly as 'not this - not this' shows that the knowledge can be imparted to others."Whatever one  sees becomes known by the very abstract intelligence.

The seeker has to carefully analyze the underlying consciousness which, though abstract and apart from material objects, yet illumines them all the same. Know it to be the truth.

What is not self-luminous can only fall within the orbit of  the  formless witness and cannot be  formless witness itself.  Formless witness  is that by which objects are known; it cannot be what it is if it becomes the object of knowledge. What is witnessed must always be different from formless witness  itself, or else it could not be made known by it. Formless witness  in the abstract cannot admit of parts, which is the characteristic of objects. Therefore objects take on shapes. The seeker has to mentally observe the formless witness  after eliminating  the witnessed  from it. The formless witness and witnessed are one in essence.  That essence is consciousness.

Just as a mirror takes on the hues of the images, so also the consciousness assumes the different shapes of objects by virtue of its holding them within itself.

Consciousness can thus be made manifest by eliminating from it all that can be known. It cannot be known as such and such, for it is the supporter of one and all.

This, being the Self of the seeker, is not cognizable. Investigate your true Self in the aforesaid manner.

There is no other agent to know the Self nor light by which to know it.

Tuesday, August 14, 2012

Adyathmic discussion-318



Yes, the diamond is in your pocket! But how can it be recognizable when it is so filled with grime? 

Unless it is brought to its original state of brilliancy it’ll remain merely a dream, a hope and a belief in the mind where imagination thrives ♥

By: Daniela (Guru Chhaya) July, ‘12@
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    • Abd Elraof Ouda NICE PEARL
      about an hour ago ·  · 1

    • Nipa Bhattacherjee Mukherjee mon jakhon jagli na rey...
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    • Ram Kc Nice & dg morning.
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    • Daniela Romero Urbani god morning Ram :)
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    • Vineet Punia Lovely photo Daniela dear friend thank you have a bright day like the pic.
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    • Daniela Romero Urbani Thank you my dear friend Vineet ...may your day be just as brilliant ..
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    • Kimat Patel diamonds are always going be diamond... we just have to have a eyes for it
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    • Daniela Romero Urbani Yes Kimat, especially if it is hidden in the mud..our eyes must be penetrating eyes
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    • Santthosh Kumaar 

      The diamond does not know it is the diamond nor the light knows itself as light. The one who recognizes it as a diamond and its light as light is not a diamond nor its light but it is the man. The Man within the illusory duality reco
      gnizes his body as body , his ego as ego, his experience of the world as the world is unaware of the fact that he is the product of the the ignorance. Once the ignorance vanishes through wisdom the the body will not remain as a body, the ego will not remain as the ego , the world will not remain as world because everything merges into the substance from which they are created. The substance is consciousness. The consciousness is ultimate reality or Brahman. It is necessary to drop all accumulated knowledge which is blocking our realization. Perfect understanding of ‘what is what’ leads to nondual self-awareness.
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    • Santthosh Kumaar The world is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.
      Peoples approach is more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real. That is why all the confusion.
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    • Man Mohan from so many stones i found u as my diamond as friend u r awesome
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    • Santthosh Kumaar One does not find the reflection of his self when he is standing in front of the mirror but he finds his body and the background world in the mirror. The one which is conscious of the body and the experience of the world is not the body but the consciousness, which is the innermost self.
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    • Santthosh Kumaar 

      Thus rest in consciousness by recognizing it as our innermost self, which is God. And realize the practical life within the practical world is a mere mirage created out of consciousness. Consciousness is ultimate truth and ultimate truth i...See More
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    • Man Mohan well said sir!! @santttosh kumaar
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