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Adyatmic Discussions-7

  Mind ceases to exist without the matter.

By : Santthoshkumaar Kumaar on Feb 07, 2011 | Views (47) | Responses (4)

We are discussing about the formless truth in the realm of untruth [duality]. If we rectify the reasoning base from, form to formless, then the words and concepts will become meaningless. To travel from ignorance to wisdom one has to use the words and concepts and as his understanding matures he has to drop them.

Everyone is not in same level of understanding, some are in elementary level and some are in advanced stages. In elementary stages we have to use more words and concepts to make them understand and also to overcome the inherited conditioning, for advanced seekers are sharp enough to understand assimilate the truth with lesser words.

Spiritual pursuit is a very personal journey. Seeker of truth has to bifurcate everything which is based on the ego, [false self ], such as religion, god, paths and theories and philosophy.
Seeker of truth should not indulge in condemning religion and yoga or its gurus or gods and its code of conducts. But he has to highlight its fallacy for his own information, which helps him to proceed deeper in investigation.

Seeker of truth has to mingle and discuss with like-minded people but never indulge in arguments about religious doctrines and teachers and teachings and philosophies.
Religion and god and guru glorification and scriptural studies or yoga are not needed in pursuit of truth. Only one must have the intense urge to know the truth and courage to accept the truth and reject the untruth, when un-contradictable truth is revealed through inquiry analysis and reasoning.

A receptive mind free from religious and yogic or any sort of knowledge based on the ego is very much necessary to acquire the non-dual wisdom.
All the accumulated knowledge from religion and yoga and paths and theories are mere dross in pursuit of truth. Religion and yoga are helpful for the mass and the society but they are barricade in unfolding the mystery of the mind.

The scriptures and theories and teaching based on the ego are not the yardstick. Using them as yardstick to understand and assimilate the truth will lead one towards pursuit of arguments. Seeker of truth has to discover on his own, the truth of his true existence by inquiring “what is mind?” and “what is substance of the mind?” and move forward.

The wisdom consists in knowing the truth, that everything [mind or physical existence] is consciousness. Freedom [truth] is always there yet one does not know it. But to those whose reason is turned away from physicality and who have attained the serenity of the soul/self [consciousness] are quite near to the ultimate truth.
To think one's own body and his experience of the world is an illusion is difficult matter, unless one realizes the self is not physical but it is formless soul, it is difficult to have glimpse of the non-dual truth.

When one realizes the fact that, the self is not physical but the formless soul, naturally the body and universe becomes illusion.

The mind (universe) is emanating from soul (consciousness) means the mind is being effect from consciousness is not different from it. Deeper analysis shows it. Analysis needs deeper thinking and reasoning. Mind is whole universe thus it has a form. But where is the form in consciousness (soul) because consciousness is like an ocean and mind is like wave. The universe is same consciousness, as the ocean produces the wave, so the consciousness produces the mind(universe).

The moment one knows the mind (universe) is consciousness, and then there is no ignorance. If one knows consciousness as self then everything is consciousness, the consciousness is second to none. The mind is consciousness but due to ignorance one mistakes it for something else. One thinks the self is within the body; but the self is without the body and the world.

Mind ceases to exist without the matter. Without the matter mind ceases to exist as mind but it exists as matter- less awareness or consciousness. Without the mind neither the world nor its perceiver can exist.

Without the matter there is no duality. Without duality there is no experience. Without experience it is non-dual reality. Therefore, whatever prevails without the mind is ultimate reality.

The true nature of the soul (consciousness) is camouflaged by the illusion/duality. To know the truth one has to discover and realize the formless substance of the mind or illusion. One has to learn to view and judge the worldview on the standpoint the formless soul as self. 

Self-Knowledge is the prime goal of the truth seeker. This goal is hidden within the mind as its invisible substance and witness. Therefore, it is necessary inquiry, analyze and reason in to the nature of mind/ duality/illusion in order to unfold the mystery of mind or duality or illusion.

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Sankara Bhagavatpada
Feb 07, 2011 at 12:58 pm
But who had seen it sir .... you may have read scriptures in many previous evolutions and now having realised its essence you call them unecessary. The path to realise truth is quite ambiguous, hence we should not go by rejection mode but assimilation mode.

People can indulge in constructive arguments. Arguments when coupled with ego, will always leave us confused and agitated. This itself is a great yardstick to measure how much we are able to connect with universal consciousness. That is why in vedic period too, people indulged in intense debates and duels, which was to take care of their logical mind in this emperical world. But deep inside they knew it very well that all that is mere procedures for people of lesser intellect.

So it depends. When you look from an enlightened point of view. All scriptures, gurus and wordly definitions seem so alien. But from an ignorant's point of view, they are all very much real and hence helping manuals to evolve ourselves and improve our vision. Hope you are able to get my point.
Santthoshkumaar Kumaar
Feb 10, 2011 at 06:54 pm
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your valued views. I respect your views.

Osho - Sage Ashtavakra and Janak

Osho : When Ashtavakra was twelve years old, Janak hosted a huge debating conference. Janak was an emperor, and he invited the pundits of the whole country to debate on the scriptures. He had one thousand cows placed at the palace gate and had the horns of the cows plated with gold and decorated with jewels. He proclaimed, ”Whoever is victorious, shall take possession of these cows.”

It was a great debate. Ashtavakra’s father also participated. As dusk was falling, the message came to Ashtavakra that his father was losing. He had already defeated all the others, but he was about to be defeated by a pundit named Vandin. Receiving this message Ashtavakra went to the palace. The hall was decorated. The debate was in its final stage and the decisive moment was fast approaching. His father’s defeat was a complete forgone conclusion – he was on the very edge of defeat.

The pundits saw Ashtavakra as he entered the royal court. They were all learned scholars. His body was bent and deformed in eight places: he had just to move and anyone would start laughing. His very movement was a laughing matter. The whole meeting broke into laughter. Ashtavakra also roared with laughter. Janak asked, ”Everyone else is laughing. I can understand why they laugh, but why did you laugh, my son?”

Ashtavakra said, ”I am laughing because truth is being decided in this conference of butchers” – the man must have been extraordinary. ”What are all these skinners doing here?”

A deep silence fell over the meeting. Butchers? Skinners? The king asked, ”What do you mean?”

Ashtavakra said, ”It is simple and straightforward: They only see skin, they don’t see me. It is difficult to find a man more pure and simple than me, but they don’t see this; they see a bent and deformed body. They are skinners, they judge by the skin. Your Majesty, in the curve of a temple is the sky curved? When a pot is smashed, is the sky smashed? The sky is beyond change. My body is twisted, but I am not. Look at the one within. You can’t find anything more straight and pure.”

It was a very startling declaration. There must have been pin-drop silence. Janak was impressed, astounded: ”Absolutely right, why had he gathered a crowd of skinners there?” He became repentant, he felt guilty that he too had laughed. That day the king couldn’t manage to say anything, but the following day when he was out on his morning ride he saw Ashtavakra on the way. Janak dismounted from his horse and fell at his feet. The day before, in front of everyone, he couldn’t find the courage.

The day before he had said, ”Why do you laugh, my son?” Ashtavakra was a boy of twelve years, and Janak had considered his age. This day he didn’t notice the age. This day he got down from his horse and fell at Ashtavakra’s feet, spread-eagled in prostration.

He said, ”Please visit the palace, and satisfy my eagerness for the truth. Oh lord, be so gracious as to come to my home. I have understood! I couldn’t sleep the whole night. You spoke truly: what depth of understanding have those who recognize only the body? They are debating the being, but attraction and repulsion for the body still arise; hate and attraction still arise. They are looking at death while talking of the deathless! I’m blessed that you came and disturbed me, that you broke my sleep. Please come to the palace!”

Janak had the palace decorated magnificently. He welcomed Ashtavakra and seated him on a golden throne – this twelve year old Ashtavakra. Then he put his questions to him. The first sutra is Janak’s inquiry. Janak asked and Ashtavakra explained. Beyond this, nothing is known about Ashtavakra. And there is no need to know more, it is more than enough! Diamonds are not many; only pebbles and rocks are so common. A single diamond is enough.

Source: “The Mahageeta, Volume 1” - Osho
Santthoshkumaar Kumaar
Feb 10, 2011 at 06:56 pm
Sage Ashtavakra Instructions on Test of Self-Realization

Ashtavakra said:
Having realized yourself as One,
being serene and indestructible,
why do you desire wealth?

Just as imagining silver in mother-of-pearl,
causes greed to arise,
so does ignorance of Self
cause desire for illusion.

Having realized yourself as That
in which the waves of the world rise and fall,
why do you run around in turmoil?

Having realized yourself as pure Awareness,
as beautiful beyond description,
how can you remain a slave to lust?

It is strange
that in a sage who has realized
Self in All and All in Self
this sense of ownership should continue.

Strange that one abiding in the Absolute,
intent on freedom,
should be vulnerable to lust
and weakened by amorous pastimes.

Strange that knowing lust
as an enemy of knowledge,
one so weak and nearing death
should still crave sensual pleasure.

Strange that one who is unattached
to the things of this world and the next,
who can discriminate between the transient and the timeless,
who yearns for freedom,
should yet fear the dissolution of the body.

Whether acclaimed or tormented
the serene sage abides in the Self.
He is neither gratified nor angered.

A great soul
witnesses his body’s actions
as if they were another’s.
How can praise or blame disturb him?

Realizing the universe is illusion,
having lost all curiosity,
how can one of steady mind fear death?

With whom can we compare
the great soul
who, content knowing Self,
remains desireless in disappointment?

Why should a person of steady mind,
who sees the nothingness of objects,
prefer one thing to another?

He who is unattached,
untouched by opposites,
free of desire,
experiences neither pleasure nor pain
as events pass through.
Santthoshkumaar Kumaar
Feb 10, 2011 at 06:58 pm
Ashtavakra Gita - Sage Ashtavakra Instruction on Self-Realization to King Janaka

Janaka said:
how is Knowledge to be achieved,
detachment acquired,
liberation attained?

Ashtavakra said:
To be free,
shun the experiences of the senses
like poison.
Turn your attention to
forgiveness, sincerity, kindness, simplicity, truth.

You are not earth, water, fire or air.
Nor are you empty space.
Liberation is to know yourself
as Awareness alone—
the Witness of these.

Abide in Awareness
with no illusion of person.
You will be instantly free and at peace.

You have no caste or duties.
You are invisible, unattached, formless.
You are the Witness of all things.
Be happy.

Right and wrong, pleasure and pain,
exist in mind only.
They are not your concern.
You neither do nor enjoy.
You are free.

You are the Solitary Witness
of All That Is,
forever free.
Your only bondage is not seeing This.

The thought: “I am the doer”
is the bite of a poisonous snake.
To know: “I do nothing”
is the wisdom of faith.
Be happy.

A single understanding:
“I am the One Awareness,”
consumes all suffering
in the fire of an instant.
Be happy.

You are unbounded Awareness—
Bliss, Supreme Bliss--
in which the universe appears
like the mirage of a snake in a rope.
Be happy.

It is true what they say:
“You are what you think.”
If you think you are bound you are bound.
If you think you are free you are free.

You are Self—the Solitary Witness.
You are perfect, all-pervading, One.
You are free, desireless, forever still.
The universe is but a seeming in You.

Meditate on this: “I am Awareness alone--Unity itself.”
Give up the idea that you are separate, a person,
that there is within and without.

You have long been bound thinking:
“I am a person.”
Let the knowledge: “I am Awareness alone”
be the sword that frees you.

You are now and forever
free, luminous, transparent, still.
The practice of meditation
keeps one in bondage.

You are pure Consciousness—
the substance of the universe.
The universe exists within you.
Don’t be small-minded.

You are unconditioned, changeless, formless.
You are solid, unfathomable, cool.
Desire nothing.
You are Consciousness.

That which has form is not real.
Only the formless is permanent.
Once this is known,
you will not return to illusion.

Just as a mirror exists
both within and without
the image reflected,
the Supreme Self exists
both within and without the body.

Just as the same space exists
both within and without a jar,
the timeless, all-pervasive One
exists as Totality.