Sunday, March 24, 2013

Adyathmic Discussion-366

Trev Light Bown :- You say "The soul is in the form of formless consciousness". So obviously the soul can not be a form within formless consciousness. This is not nit picking on my behalf, I am just pointing out the confusion that words create. I can see past your words to inner meaning. why are you not able to do the same with those you label duality sages guru/master teachers.

S.K :- The Soul (consciousness)  is self-evident .  It is not established by extraneous proofs. It is not possible to deny the Atman, because It is the very essence of the one who denies It. The consciousness  is the basis of all kinds of knowledge, presuppositions and proofs.

Consciousness is within, consciousness is without; consciousness is before, consciousness is behind;consciousness  is on the right, consciousness  is on the left; consciousness is above and consciousness is below. Consciousness  is not an object because it is the formless subject.

 I searched for truth and found only the soul. I searched for the soul and found only truth.

The soul or consciousness, the innermost self is the witness-consciousness that experiences the action, the actor, and the world of separate things. It is like a light that illuminates everything in a theatre, revealing the master of ceremonies, the guests, and the dancers with complete impartiality. Even when they all depart, the light shines to reveal their absence.

Consciousness is the root element of the universe. From consciousness the universe comes into existence. In the consciousness the universe resides. And into the consciousness the universe is dissolved.   Consciousness is the parent of all that is there is.

The people ‘ s approach is  more practical, and they are  stuck with the reality of the world, they  take  it as real.  If they take the world as reality it means they have accepted the birth, ,life, ,death, ,which takes place in the unreal world as reality. If they accept  the birth, life, death and the world as reality,  it means they have accepted the  form,time and space as  reality. If the form,time and space is accepted as reality then duality will prevail as reality. If duality prevails as reality then it is impossible to understand, assimilate and realize the Nondualistic or Advaitic  truth.  

Your body, your ego, your experience of the world are one in essence. Till you consider your body as body your ego as ego, your experience of the world as the world you will remain in the realm of the  duality. Till you remain in the realm of the duality you are stuck to the reality of the experience of the birth, life, death and the world,which is mere illusion from the ultimate standpoint. Till you are stuck to the reality of the experience of the birth, life, death and the world you will not be able to know the mystery of the form,time and space. Without knowing the mystery of the form,time and space you will not be able to realize the mind is a myth. Without realizing the mind is a myth you will not be able to accept the universe as an illusion. Without realizing the universe as an illusion you will not be able know achieve unity in diversity.

When Sage Sri, Sankara says the world is an illusion, it includes birth, life and death, which happens within the world.  Thus the seekers main aim is to mentally trace the formless substance of the illusion, which is also the witness of the illusion. The formless substance and witness of the illusion (world) is the Ataman, and this Ataman itself is Brahman.

The nature of the mind, which is present in the form of the universe, is constant flux.  The universe appears as waking or dream. Without being aware of the existence of the formless witness the three states people think everything is in flux in the universe.

 The permanent thing is the substance of the mind or the universee.  The formless substance is the witness of the mind (I) or the universee.  The formless substance and witness are one in essence. That essence is the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.  The soul or consciousness is real and permanent.  The universe isa mere miragee created out of consciousness.

The world is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.
Dualists   approach is  more practical, and they stuck with the reality of the world, they take it as real.

On the standpoint the soul, the innermost self, the universe is mere mirage.  The soul is the permanent all else mere illusion.  Man and exist in the unreal universe and by discussing on the standpoint of the ego (waking entity) which is the false self within the false experience will leads to perversity.    

In self-awareness the body is not considered as a body, ego is not considered as ego and the world is not considered as world because the body, ego and the world too are nothing but consciousness.   In self-awareness there is no flux. There is unity in diversity.  Only in ignorance the illusion is experienced as reality. The nature of the illusion is impermanent and constant flux whereas the nature of the soul or consciousness is permanent and still.

It  is no use in arguing with the dualist and intellectuals because they are right on their own standpoint.  Pursuit of truth interests only few. Ultimate truth or Advaitic truth is not the product to sell in the spiritual supermarket.  One should not to ‘throw advatic  pearls before swine’. The urge to know the truth cannot be imposed on others.  It has to sprout within. One need not become holy Shepard because the holy Shepard is within in to guide every seeker. If one is aiming to be a master, Guru or teacher, he will never reach his destination. One has to share his knowledge with the fellow seeker not to make them his followers but only direct them if they are interested to travel beyond form, time and space.

 It is foolish to impose our idea on others because everyone is not in same level of understanding.  Every one's inner work is on. When they are ripe enough they will understand, assimilate and realize on their own.  If they are ready and sharp enough they will grasp it instantly and they will reach their destination with lesser time and effort. Thus preaching, teaching is not wisdom, but by very careful reasoning, the seeker has to determine the nature of reality. Thinking in right direction alone helps seeker determining the nature of reality.

The sugar cannot know itself its sweetness. The true self without ignorance is without the experience of duality or illusion. Thus one has to base on the sugar not on its sweetness. Without the sugar there is no sweetness. Similarly without the consciousness, the three states cease to exist as reality.

There are millions in search of truth but one in million will be able to grasp it.  I am just posting what revels from the inner core. I just share with like minded fellow seekers.   I am just highlighting the obstacle in the pursuit of truth. Self-knowledgee or Brahma Gnana or AtmaGhanaa is not based on any teaching or teacher. Pursuit of truth is the pursuit of verification not pursuit of argument.   Intellectual discussion ithe greatestat hindrance in pursuit of truth.

All the FP and IP blogs are verified truth derived from deeper self-search. If one goes on reading all his doubts and confusion will start clearing. It takes time to receptive to Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana because it is soul-centric knowledge whereas all accumulated knowledge are egocentric.

All accumulated knowledge is of no use in the path of wisdom. Without realizing “What is truth it is impossible to realize “What is untruth?” Without realizing what is truth and what is untruth it is impossible to assimilate the Self –Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Thus one must know with full and firm conviction what truth is.

 The wisdom consists in knowing the truth, that everything (mind or physical existence) is consciousness. Freedom (ultimate truth) is always there yet one does not know it.  But to those whose reason is turned away from physicality and who have attained the serenity of the soul or consciousness, the innermost self, are quite near to realizing the ultimate truth or Brahman. 

To think once own body and his experience of the world is an illusion is difficult matter, unless one realizes the self is not physical but it is formless soul it is difficult to have glimpse of truth.

When one realizes the fact that, the self is not physical but the formless soul, naturally the body and universe becomes illusion.

The mind (universe) is emanating from soul (consciousness) means the mind is being effect from consciousness is not different from it. Deeper analysis shows it. Analysis needs deeper thinking and reasoning. Mind is whole universe thus it has a form. But where is the form in consciousness [formless soul] because consciousness is like an ocean and mind is like wave.  The universe is same consciousness, as the ocean produces the wave, so the consciousness produces the mind (universe).

The moment one knows the mind (universe) is consciousness, and then there is no ignorance. If one knows consciousness as self then everything is consciousness, the consciousness is second to none.  The mind is consciousness but due to ignorance one mistakes it for something else. One thinks the self is within the body; but the self is without the body and the world.

When one is unable to quench his spiritual thirst from his guru or teaching he has to look elsewhere to clear the cobwebs of his understanding and to move forward in his spiritual quest.

It is no use of arguing with someone who has faith in his belief system because for him there can be no possible refutation of what he believes, so rational argument is entirely useless. He clings to his belief so strongly that he makes no distinction between the truth and his belief. One has to know the fact that god cannot exist without his existence. The truth does not depend on gods’ existence but it entirely depends on man’s existence.   Thus it is foolish to venture in knowing the truth of gods existence without verifying the facts about his own existence. 

It is difficult for tradition-bound people to accept anything as truth other than what they inherited from the  inborn and inherited conditioning and parental grooming and their accumulated knowledge. Only intense urge to know the truth and courage to accept the truth after verification with better understanding one will be able to drop all his accumulated dross, which is the main obstacle in self-realization.

Katha Upanishad:-  This Atman is attained by him alone whom It chooses. To such a one Atman reveals Its own form. [Katha Upanishad Ch-II -23-P-20]