Adyatmic discussion -- 407***

P: Because people think the body is born, lives and dies they feel the pleasure and pain as reality. But it is not body alone that dies, the world also dies together, because they appeared together and they disappear together as deep sleep or death.
So, as long as one is in the body one is bound by pleasure and pain.
Is there anyone who lives otherwise?

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Santtosh, you did not answer my question Are you not effected by the pleasure / pain principle?

 
warm regards..

Hi P,

The body is within the world, the world is within the mind. The body and the world are reality within the waking experience.   The waking experience is unreal, and our individual experiences of birth, life and death are happening within waking or dream. When the mind is present then only the waking or dream is present. If mind is absent the waking or dream is absent. When the mind is absent it is deep sleep.  The witness of the three states is formless and real. 

The truth is hidden within the mind, and no mind experiences. Deeper investigation will reveal the truth. 

I as a body with the name is not the author of the waking experience, because I as a body with the name exists within the waking experience. The waking experience is parallel dream, and the dream is a parallel waking experience.  If I was Alexander the great in the dream and suffered pain in the dream, the pain of the dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly, my experience of pain and pleasure becomes unreal when wisdom dawns.  Within the illusion everyone is affected by pain and pleasure. Therefore, it is necessary for everyone to become consciously aware of the soul or consciousness themselves, and realize its effect themselves.  Since when one becomes soul centric any claim of authorship of any experience makes him egocentric. Whatever is based on Egocentricity is falsehood.    For a Gnani, nothing exists, nothing are ever exited, and nothing is going to exist, other than nothing, which is the soul or consciousness, which is second to none.    

All the questions, doubts and confusion arise when he is egocentric. Self is not the waking entity but the self is the formless soul, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states without the physical apparatus  then it is erroneous to view , judge and conclude the truth on the base of the waking entity , which is bound by form, time and space.  Thus it is necessary to think and decide the truth on the base of formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. When the judgment is based on the formless soul, then there is nothing to argue, nothing to decide because there is no second thing exists other than the self- awareness. In self-awareness there is no second thing exists other than the soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. A man of truth sees his body not as the body, his ego as not ego, and his experience of the world as not world but he is fully aware they are one in essence in the midst of duality (waking). The man and his world are reality within the waking experience but the waking experience is unreal on the standpoint of the formless soul, the innermost self.       

Realizing the formless soul as self is the prime goal.  On the standpoint of the formless soul as self, the experience of the birth, life, death and the world are one in essence and that essence is the formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. Thus the experience of birth, life, death and the world are part and parcel of the waking experience, which is an illusion created out of single stuff, which is consciousness.  Thus consciousness alone is real and all else is unreal.