P: The question is here is to understand the fact that, the
pain and pleasure are created (duality) out of single stuff. -- fine but we
are not questioning that.
Santtosh,
As I said I have not come across a single person in my life who is indifferent to the pleasure / pain principle.
I would consider such a person abnormal, cold , psychic.
Are you not effected by the pleasure / pain principle ?
About Ramana Maharishi or whoever; many things are exaggerated by people; so let us not believe everything.
Every human being is exactly like you and me because we share the same consciousness
All the pretense of these so called 'god men' posing as supermen, I find it very hard to believe.
SK: - The pleasure and pain are individual
experiences happening within the waking experience. Therefore their reality is
limited to the waking experience because the waking experience itself is
an illusion. Until one becomes aware of the fact that: how the waking experience is
an illusion, he is bound to experience the duality as reality. The individuality
and individual experiences happening with in the waking experience, is nothing
to do with the formless Soul, which is the witness of the three states.
The pleasure
and pain of the dream become unreal when the waking takes place. Same way for
a Gnani the waking experience becomes mere an object of experience because he
is soul-centric. Most of the god men are pretending to be Gnani but they are
egocentric. When one becomes soul-centric for his body and the world are also
consciousness. Because people think the
body is born, lives and dies they feel the pleasure and pain as reality. But it
is not body alone that dies, the world also dies together, because they
appeared together and they disappear together as deep sleep or death. The one which is aware of the appearance
disappearance of the three states is birth- less and deathless, which our dear
friend James called it as no one.
The no one
is the soul, which Buddhist called as nothingness or emptiness and Sage Sri, Sankara
called it as Brahman, Meher Baba called it as I AM GOD STATE, and Christens
called it Christ consciousness. . When
one consciously becomes aware of the no
one is the true self, then there is no physical apparatus and world to
experience, because a Gnani is aware his body and the world are also consciousness. To get this conviction one has to understood the fact that, the birth, life, death and the world are a mere mirage created out of consciousness. Whatever prevails without
the mirage is ultimate truth, which is consciousness.
If the self
is formless then diversity is mere
illusion. One has to know this fact
intellectually first, then gradually as conviction becomes firm then he becomes soul-centric and he sees the
sameness in everything and the mind reaches the stillness and he becomes aware of the fact that, the soul itself is the ultimate truth.
We all including the world exist in waking or dream.
We experience different experiences as individuals. When we consider we are
individual separate from the world, we will think whatever is happening within
the waking experience as reality, because we are judging the truth on the
waking entity, which is erroneous. The waking entity is limited to the waking
experience alone. We have to learn to judge truth on the base of the formless
knower of the three states. Therefore, the individuality and individual
experience are nothing to do with the self, which is formless. Until one includes the world in his
realization to grasp the ultimate truth is an impossibility.
We have to realize Individual experience of birth,
life and death is nothing to do with the soul, the innermost self which is the soul, because
the soul is our eternal identity. On the base of soul as self there is neither
witness nor witnessed, there is only oneness.
There is no need to believe any sages in the past, they are not yard stick they are mere signpost. The seeker has to do his own investigation and realize what is truth and what is not truth.
