Sunday, April 21, 2013

Adyatmic discussion -- 408***

S: I used to read lots of books on non-fiction, mostly from Darwin,rousseioue,vivekananda,voltarie,bertant rosella, some of the ancient books and lots of books mostly in basement library around India. My simple question was from where we have come? What is our role here? and where we are going ? This made me to search for truth at leaset for a decade, i was like a wanderer and there was no answer from anybody other than my MIND, one fine day my mind started observing the mind and whatever around u was very being understood, then the question of asking stopped, because what u are asking question is nothing but ur answer lies within our self.

I started experimenting at least for next eight years with silence, nature, the so called truth and love, i know these all things just became beyond words which immeasurable , cannot be said in words , just touch and touch me not.

I started slowly understanding this unknown, there is nothing called soul anywhere it is only, STILL ness and void. Sometime if ur not with the whole experience of knowledge there is chancees of going in illusion, which the so called swami and gurus are doing.

The physical conditioning of consciousness does not takes place because u only live now and nothing for tomorrow, the fact is MIND acts as it is and less or more.

U live beyond time and we do not like to exploit, the society the way it is happening now, we are very conscious of yourself to the nature, people animals and so on.

There is nothing in this called Soul, in true all conscious energy i know the commercialization has exploited the human mind with Women, wine and wealth.

I think we will survive with this and fell ourself like living for another 10,000yrs or more.

The whole existence of our self is being checked, countered, exploited, and so on by the words like soul there is only one to KNOW Thyself.

I am sure the soul is also a ILLUSION and dream.

Dear S

Thank you for your input. I respect your views and wisdom.

 As per my conviction:-

With the object to escaping this overshadowing illusion ( waking experience or duality)  people rush blindly into innumerable devices or pathways by which they fondly hope to enter into eternal happiness which will not pass away. Such is the boozer or the harlot, who revels in the sensual pleasures; such is the exclusive aesthete, who shuts himself out from the sorrows of the world and surrounds himself with enervating luxuries, such is he who thirst for wealth or fame or power, and subordinates all things to the achievement of that object; and such are they who seek consolation in the performance of religious austerities or yogic practices. 

And to all, the happiness sought seems to come, and soul, for a while, is lulled into sweet security and intoxicating forgetfulness of the reality of the true existence;  but the day of the great misfortune, sorrow, brakes suddenly in  and the happiness is torn to shreds.

Therefore over the head of every person hangs the sword of suffering, ready at any moment, to fall and crush him who is unprotected by the knowledge of the true self which is Atman or spirit. 

Sometimes one feels  that he has found happiness , secure and peace in adopting a certain religion or path or yogic practice or philosophy; but some overpowering temptation proves all these are inadequate or insufficient; the scriptural knowledge is found to be useless and feels that idealistic statue upon which he has been laboring for years is of no use.   

Whatever you have read, heard, seen, known, believed and experienced as a person of the world  appears, when the mind (I)  appears, and it  disappears when the mind disappears. Therefore, all your experiences are within the mind, which appears as waking or dream and disappears as no mind or deep sleep. There is no need for any egocentric theories and teaching in pursuit of truth. 

Without realizing the self is not waking entity but the self the formless soul, there is no point in discussing of the truth, which is beyond, form, time and space.  All the understanding is based on the waking entity, which is the false self within the false experience.     

Ultimate Truth is nowhere written and cannot be expressed through words and thoughts, because words and thoughts are created out of consciousness, which is the ultimate truth or Brahman.

The seeker has to start afresh by realizing the fact that, the belief, and faith and all the dogmas in the name of god and religion are part of the illusion. Then there is possibility that he may find and grasp the non-dual truth.

The truth does not belong to any religion. Religious truth is individual truth based on the false self. The intellectuality is based on the individuality and in duality belongs to duality and duality is not reality from ultimate standpoint. Thus the understanding based on the form is limited to form alone is just skin deep because one is not included the time and space. Thus when the understanding is limited to the form to the form is imaginary and leads to hallucination. Thus perfect understanding is ‘very much necessary what is what’ in order realizing the truth beyond the form, time and space. 

The truth is not in any religious scriptures. The truth will not be realized through practicing yogic Samadhi, because whatever is followed and practiced on the base of ‘waking entity or ego  which is the false self within the false experience will not lead one to Non-dualistic or Advaitic self-awareness.  

Yoga, religion, scriptural studies and intellectuality are nothing to do in pursuit of truth.  One has to investigate “what is mind?” and “what is the substance of the mind” to unfold the mystery of the mind.  If one becomes aware with what the mind is able to sustain itself, then he becomes aware of the ultimate truth. Since every one of us judging the truth on the base of their accumulated knowledge they go round and round never come to any final conclusion. 

The look of any object will depend upon the medium through which the self observes it. If, the self observes through physical apparatus, then the mental and intellectual conditions will determine the three states observed and experienced. If the self (soul) is without the physical apparatus views the same phenomenal world finds nothing other than itself.  Therefore, there is a need to know the fact that, the ego (body) is not the self, and learn to view and judge the truth on the base of the self, which is in the form of consciousness. 

The individual experiences are happening within the mind. Until we think the mind is within the body, we remain ignorant of the truth.   Therefore, one has to find the fact that, whether the mind is within the body or the body and the world are within the mind.

One interprets the object that he sees in terms of his existing accumulates knowledge based on the ego.  The Gnani sees the play of consciousness everywhere and in everything in all the three states. Therefore, it is very much necessary to learn to view and judge the truth without the physical apparatus. Without the physical apparatus the self is formless soul..... or anyone can call it anything which makes sense.     

Soul, self, spirit, Brahman, Atman, consciousness emptiness, nothingness, no one,  no mind, higher self,  super consciousness , which are mere name given to the same thing, you can call any name  to the formless existence,  the words are mere pointers  communication purpose.  

We are discussing about the soul in illusion, and when the illusion disappears there is nothing is there to call it or name it. Whatever prevails without the illusion is ultimate reality. 

When the whole universe in which we exist is mere illusion created out of consciousness then we are discussing about the truth within the illusion. Thus whatever we discuss is nothing to  do with self, which is ever formless, timeless and spaceless.