Logic is egocentric.

Trevor Lightbown Can you explain what you mean by reason and logic.
Surely there must be stillness, silence, emptiness of reason and thought as the person in order to realize "that" witness who I am, not me thought.

Are you saying that thought as reason, logic or doubt are required tools to start with, then discarded with strikes of insight and realization of the witness being truth as self?Can you explain what you mean by reason and logic. 

John Troy That is where I would appreciate a bit of edification, as well.

Dearest Trevor, 

The thought cannot form without form. The form cannot exist without the universe. The universe ceases to exist without the waking experience. The waking experience ceases to exist without the ignorance. The ignorance ceases to exist without illusion.  The illusion ceases to exist without consciousness. Thus it is erroneous base the truth on the thoughts. 

 The self is like deep sleep.  there is stillness in deep sleep because there is neither the waking experience nor the dream. but deep sleep is not wisdom because it is still the state of ignorance. realizing the the whole waking and the whole dream experience  are mere mirage created out of consciousness and  no second thing exists other than consciousness in the midst of duality or waking experience leads to self-awareness.  thus perfect understanding and conviction is required to know what is what in order  understand and assimilate ultimate truth or Brahman .

That is why great Advitha sage Sri Sankara says  [VC]

60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.

61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realisation one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

63. Without causing the objective universe to vanish and without knowing the truth of the Self, how is one to achieve Liberation by the mere utterance of the word Brahman ? — It would result merely in an effort of speech.

It is only in elementary stages people think of thoughtlessness is wisdom. In deep sleep or Samadhi there are no thoughts but it is not wisdom. The wisdom is to realize the ultimate truth in the midst of waking experience by realizing the body is not body, the ego is not ego the world is not world but they are mere mirage created out of consciousness.then only there is unity in diversity in mental realm.  when there is unity in diversity in the mental realm there is stillness. 

It is necessary to drop all accumulated knowledge than only it becomes easy to grasp the non dual truth. Since everyone is stuck with their accepted truth. I am writing the blogs from every angle so that they can get convinced and drop the inborn conditioning which is present as ‘I’ or I AM.   But if the seeker is serious he can grasp it with few words. But it is impossible because of the strong conditioning and egocentric reason.  Until the reasoning based is rectified from form to formless it is very difficult to understand and assimilate the non-dualistic or Advaitic truth. 

Sri, Sankara himself has warned us not to use ambiguous words, and to practice semantic analysis in his book "Definition of one's own Self. [" Page 199, v.24 of "Sankara's Selected Works]

Sri, Sankara founded his Advaita Vedanta either on reason independent of sruti or on sruti confirmed by reason."   Sri, Sankara's commentary on the Mandukya Upanishad, II, 1:  This [the unreality of duality] is borne out by the Srutis ... But it is possible also to show the unreality of the object world even from pure reasoning, and this second chapter is undertaken for that purpose.

 Sri, Sankara himself had often said that his philosophy was based on Sruti, or revealed scripture.  This may be because Sri, Sankara addressed the ordinary man, who finds security in the idea of causality and thus in the idea of God—and Revelation is indispensable to prove the latter.  He believed that those of superior intelligence, have no need of this idea of divine causality, and can therefore dispense with Sruti and arrive at the truth of Non-Dualism by pure reason. 

Reason is the highest mental faculty.   The egocentric reason is called intellect and soul centric  reason is wisdom.  The logic is based on egocentricity. "Through soul centric Reason seeker reaches the ultimate end." The logic and intellect are useful in practical life within the practical world but they cannot transport the seeker beyond duality.

Logic is not the same as my Reason. There should be a distinction between them. Logic cannot know the ultimate truth  because it is of intellect and  not the soul centric reason. soul centric Reason can know the ultimate truth or Brahman. Logic applies only to the objective (seen) world. Intellectuals have not analyzed the mind itself yet. Hence they cannot understand a Gnani. If the invisible Witness Self could see itself.

Reasoning in Non-dual is thinking applied to all three states to prove something. It is in this sense that used the word non-dual, which religious scholars do not grasp.

Reasoning must not be confused with intellectual argument. The latter is used by legal counsels for logical building up of evidence of seen objects only but the former is used in truth seeking to refer to evidence of all three states. Reason sees the appearance and disappearance of objects including ego; whereas logical intellect is limited to them alone.

How can you witness the mind of another? All one can do is to witness his bodily actions and guess at the mind behind them. Yet psychologists, especially behaviourists and make this error.

 Spiritual view is that one can only know one’s own mind; never another man's mind. Even thought-reading is only looking first into one’s own mind, and saying what one believes is in the other man's mind. Hence it is one’s own mind, and saying what you believe is in the other can's mind. But is your mind con-fined to one’s physical body? No. It is pervading everywhere and in everything in all the three states as their formless substance; hence it is the same as the other man's mind. This renders telepathy possible, but the thought reading must still be done by one’s own mind, not another's; one knows of the other man's only such thoughts as appear in one’s mind, and therefore it is really and ultimately one’s own mind one knows.

When science, it does not mean mere elementary scientific facts about oxygen and hydrogen, but advanced science, that truth to which it leads, the meaning and aim of all science.

Those mystics who say one has to rise beyond reason are still ignorant. Common sense tells one that the only way to distinguish between stone and a cotton is to use the intelligence. Otherwise one will try to eat cotton! That is, to arrive at the truth of any matter or objects, one must use reason.

 How much more when one wants to arrive at the truth of life, and the universe? This is the only way.

Inquiry and reasoning means that without thinking about the truth of it one cannot attain it. The mind must be used in reasoning: it is kept quiet in yoga, there is no possibility of knowing the ultimate truth, because the instrument of knowledge--the mind--is not functioning. Inquiry and reasoning depends entirely upon Reason, i.e. reason.

If contradictions are present, how can one be certain anything is true? Hence truth must be the uncontradictable. To the extent that one shows there is no possibility of difference, one gets at truth.