- Cliff Shack If time actually existed I would. ;)
17 hours ago · 
Santthosh Kumaar Dear Cliff , I respect your views and wisdom. as per my conviction derived from deeper self-search:- Until ignorance is there form,time and space are reality.When one becomes aware of the fact that, ,form,time and space are one in essence and that essence is formless consciousness, than no second thing exists other than consciousness,which is the inner most self. The form,time and space appear together and disappear together. The form,time and space are mere illusion created out of consciousness. Without consciousness form,time and space ceases to exist.
17 hours ago ·
Santthosh Kumaar Consciousness exist with or without the form,time and space. The form,time and space appear in waking or dream and they disappear as deep sleep. The one which is aware of the coming and going of the three states is formless and apart. The consciousness is within the three states as their formless substance and it is apart from the three states, as their formless witness. It is apart because it is not a thing or entity or identity within the three states. Consciousness is not limited to the individual because it pervades all the three states as their formless substance and witness.Until we base our judgment on the waking entity or ego ,which is the false self within the false experience[universe or waking] it is very difficult to understand and assimilate the truth beyond form,time and space. Scientific inventions say:-
Why You Are Not Your Brain, and Other Lessons from the Biology of Consciousness.
by :AlvaNoë. Hill and Wang, 2009
Alva No, a University of California, Berkeley, philosopher and cognitive scientist, argues that after decades of concerted effort on the part of neuroscientists, psychologists and philosophers "only one proposition about how the brain makes us conscious ... has emerged unchallenged: we don't have a clue." The reason we have been unable to explain the neural basis of consciousness, he says, is that it does not take place in the brain. Consciousness is not something that happens inside us but something we achieve it is more like dancing than it is like the digestive process. To understand consciousness the fact that we think and feel and that a world shows up for us we need to look at a larger system of which the brain is only one element. Consciousness requires the joint operation of brain, body and world. "You are not your brain. The brain, rather, is part of what you are."
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If the brain [body] is not the self then what is self? Therefore, there is a need to understand and assimilate the knowledge of the self through deeper inquiry, analysis and reasoning in order to unfold the mystery of the ‘I’.
One cannot know the truth until one knows the stuff from which the mind is created. The goal of pursuit of truth is to realize the fact that, the true self is not physical but it is the formless soul/ spirit/consciousness.
When one puts aside the imagination and has the thinker-- what does he get with thinking—he can get only a thoughts. Meditation is only an effort; it is imagination, an idea; the soul/consciousness remaining the same with or without ideas.
As a person perceiving the world one is unaware of the fact that, he and his experience of the world are within the object. He as a person is completely unaware of the fact that, he is not the subject at all. The subject is formless and it is apart from the three states. The subject is not an entity or identity within the three states. Therefore, judging the truth on the base of the object as self is erroneous. Such judgment leads to all sorts of speculation, doubts and confusions.
When one is absorbed in thinking of anything, he is thinking within the object [mind] that which witnesses all these three states is within but always apart.
As a thinker he gets only thoughts. The thinker and thoughts are part of the illusion. Whenever there is thoughts and experiences, there is duality [mind]. Where there is duality [mind] there is always ignorance. Where there is ignorance there is illusion. The duality, mind and ignorance illusion are one and the same thing and they appear together and disappear. The ignorance vanishes when the wisdom dawns.
The knower of the three states is within the three states but it is formless and apart from the three states.
The whole universe and people and all its contents are within the mind. The truth is hidden within the mind but it is without the mind. As a Man one thinks the mind is within the physical body but the truth is the body and the universe are within the mind. Until this mistake is rectified to get the non -dual truth is impossibility. Man thinks he is an individual separate from the world within the mind which appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep. Therefore, one has to analyze the three states in order to realize the witness of the three states is formless and apart from the three states. Thus the man is not the witness of the three states. Realizing this fact, it is erroneous to judge the truth on the waking entity.
It is impossible to trace the mind within the physical body, because the physical body and the world are within the mind. The idea of multiplicity of mind cannot be accepted. The dream appears as a whole with the dream entity, with people and dream world. The dream is witnessed as whole without the physical apparatus. The same witness witnesses the waking and deep sleep as a whole. This truth has to be grasped to realize the fact that, the waking entity is not the witness of the three states. Only when this truth is grasped, then it becomes easier to assimilate the Self-Knowledge.
16 hours ago ·
Santthosh Kumaar That is fine. The truth is not custom made to suit every mindset. One has to verify on his own and accept only un-contradictable truth. The consciousness is self-evident. It is not established by extraneous proofs. It is not possible to deny the consciousness, because it is the very essence of the one who denies it. The consciousness is the basis of all kinds of knowledge, presuppositions and proofs. The consciousness is the true self. Consciousness is within, consciousness is without; consciousness is before, consciousness is behind; consciousness is on the right, consciousness is on the left; consciousness is above and consciousness’s below. Until one thinks his body as body, ego as ego the universe as universe he remain in ignorance because he is still in ignorance and he is unaware of the fact that, they too are consciousness.
Swami Vivekananda said: - “You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher but your own soul.”
