Sunday, September 25, 2011

Adyatmic Discussion -64



“As long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seeds of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.” ~ Pythagorus
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    • Santthosh Kumaar Dear brother Satyam Sam Singhji, I fully support vegetarianism and non-violence . But one has to peep in to one’s own religious history which reveals the truth ,which is not known to many the mass that are not even aware of the fact of their own belief system. The vegetarianism is later add-ons and so many adulteration has taken place is in the past.
      References of such commands are replete in scriptures like Manusmriti, Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmins, Grihsutras, Dharmasutras and others.
      Few citations from different scriptures are imperative to bring home the point and clear the misconceptions:-
      Manusmriti (Chapter 5 / Verse 30) says, “It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable animals, for Brahma has created both the eaters and the eatables.”

      Manusmriti (5 / 35) states: When a man who is properly engaged in a ritual does not eat meat, after his death he will become a sacrificial animal during twenty-one rebirths.
      Maharishi Yagyavalkya says in Shatpath Brahmin (3/1/2/21) that, “I eat beef because it is very soft and delicious.”

      Apastamb Grihsutram (1/3/10) says, “The cow should be slaughtered on the arrival of a guest, on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ of ancestors and on the occasion of a marriage.”

      Rigveda (10/85/13) declares, “On the occasion of a girl’s marriage oxen and cows are slaughtered.”

      Rigveda (6/17/1) states that “Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf, horse and buffalo.”
      Vashistha Dharmasutra (11/34) writes, “If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat offered to him on the occasion of ‘Shraddha’ or worship, he goes to hell.”

      Also, comments of some great pundits of Hindu belief system are also worth noting:
      Swami Vivekanand said thus: “You will be surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rites and rituals, a man cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef”. (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekanand, vol.3, p. 536).

      • Mukandilal writes in his book ‘Cow Slaughter – Horns of a Dilemma’, page 18: “In ancient India, cow-slaughter was considered auspicious on the occasions of some ceremonies. Bride and groom used to sit on the hide of a red ox in front of the ‘Vedi’ (alter).”

      • A renowned scholar of scriptures Dr. Pandurang Vaman Kane says, “Bajsancyi Samhita sanctifies beef-eating because of its purity”. (Dharmashastra Vichar Marathi, page 180)

      • Adi Shankaracharya’ commentary on Brihdaranyakopanishad 6/4/18 says : ‘Odan’ (rice) mixed with meat is called ‘Mansodan’. On being asked whose meat it should be, he answers ‘Uksha’. ‘Uksha’ is used for an ox, which is capable to produce semen.

      • The book ‘The History and Culture of the Indian People’, published by Bhartiya Vidya Bhawan, Bombay and edited by renowned historian R.C.Majumdar (Vol.2, page 578) says: “this is said in the Mahabharat that King Rantidev used to kill two thousand other animals in addition to two thousand cows daily in order to give their meat in charity”.
      A great majority of the followers of Hindu belief system are not in contact with their religious scriptures. i just want to highlight so many add-ons and adulteration has taken place in the past thus the Hindu belief system is not pure Vedic religion or Sanatan Dharma.

      12 hours ago ·

    • Satyam Sam Singh Santthosh Ji Thank You ..... in shock no reaction what to say because can't find word !!!!!!! NOW this is true there is NO GOD.
      12 hours ago ·

    • Satyam Sam Singh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GchstgVcXM

      Santthosh Kumaar Ji please watch this _/\_


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      12 hours ago · · 1 person ·

    • Satyam Sam Singh He did say vegetarians are not true vegetarian.
      12 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar All these theories are religiously and theoretically correct. all our individual conducts are right and wrong within the illusion. thus our individual eating and living belongs to illusion. If one vegetarian dreams of eating non-veterinarian food in the dream , the dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly the vegetarian and his consuming vegetarian food in waking becomes unreal, when wisdom dawns. Wisdom dawns when the self wakes up without the body and the world in the midst of duality.
      11 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh Thank You _/\_
      11 hours ago · · 1 person

    • Satyam Sam Singh What is the purpose of life ?
      11 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Form Ultimate stand point the life is mere illusion therefore there is no purpose of life. Only on the base of waking entity or ego there is purpose of life. The waking experience itself is mere illusion from ultimate standpoint. When one realizes the self is not form than what purpose the formless self will have, which pervades all the three states as their formless substance and witness. The rivers are identified with their name till they reach and become one with the ocean.Similarly until the mind undefined merges in its formless sourceundefined, man experiences individuality as reality.
      8 hours ago ·

    • Trevor Light Bown One moment Santthosh says that accumilated knowledge is a hinderence to finding truth, then the next moment he is quoting from such text as fact.
      4 hours ago ·

    • Trevor Light Bown Consciousness is alive and looking out of every eye of every animal. Are you saying that because some religious text written hundreds or thousands of years ago is the basis for your actions now?
      4 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Dear Trevor, the scriptures itself indicate that the scriptural studies are not the means for self knowledge. Thus we have to independently search for truth. whatever is quoted which are throughly verified through deeper verification which leads to rational truth. it is only to help those people who are stuck with the scriptures to drop their accumulated knowledge. It is necessary to highlight in what way the religion,scriptures and concept of god and accumulated blocking one's realization. it is very much necessary to clear all cobwebs of confusion and move a head in pursuit of truth. as the understanding matures one realizes what is said in my posts and blogs is right.
      4 hours ago ·

    • Trevor Light Bown You say on many posts that everyday waking state is same as sleeping dream state when in bed. This is an un-truth you keep on making out as a fact.
      In dream state one may become lucid and realize that he is dreaming, many lucid dreamers have become expert in exploring this dream environment and can control what he experiences .
      The everyday state is tataly different. To say both are same and a mere illusion is bordering on insanity.

      4 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar first find out :- What is not consciousness in this experience of diversity. A person in dream marries at the age 20 and has many children and lives 100 years and dies. and that dream become unreal when the waking takes place. So the 100 years within the dream experienced within half an hour becomes unreal when waking takes place. thus millions of years history becomes unreal when the waking entity realizes it itself is not the self but the formless witness of the three states is the true self. thus mentally clinging to the formless witness, the waking also becomes as unreal as the dream. And one realizes the formless substance and witness of the three states are one in essence. that essence is consciousness. thus consciousness alone is real and all else is illusion.
      3 hours ago ·

    • Trevor Light Bown Do you really think that the non-duality state of consciousness is just a void emtyness without individual beings. You have taken the words void, source, nothingness, silence, emptyness from the viewpoint of a person/thinker. Thought can never enter or describe such a level of consciousness as the non-dualistic timeless realms because like our own consciousness here now, it does not exist on this material level of matter. It is a higher vibration, but that does not mean our vibration/universe is a mirage or ilussion. It may be from a point of view from non-duality, spiritual plane/ but not from a person living in this time space duality/ and having to use the brain in order to function and survive.
      3 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar The dream experience is reality within the dream .the waking experience is reality within the waking experience. the dream is parallel waking and waking is parallel dream. when self is not the body than who slept ,who dreampt ,who woke up. without the consciousness the three states cease to exist. until the self wakes up in its formless non-dual true nature, the waking experience remains as reality and all the judgment and conclusion will be based on the waking entity,which is false self within the false experience. Thus until one learns to view and judge on the base of the formless witness of the three states it becomes difficult to accept what i say in my posting and blogs. it takes time to mentally rectify the reasoning base from form to formless.
      3 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Dear Trevor, the wisdom dawns when one realizes the duality is non-duality because it is created out of non-dual essence which is consciousness. Self realization is not an individual experience but realizing the self is not a individual but it pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states. When the three states are itself is illusion created out of single stuff than that single stuff is real and eternal. This one has to know the three states are one in essence to bring unity in diversity in his understanding.
      3 hours ago ·

    • Trevor Light Bown As you know, i am in full agreement with 95% of what you are saying.
      But a person of thought can never ever learn to judge from the base of the formless witness. This is the whole point of surrendering and giving up as the seeker of truth. As you say the witness is that eternal no-duality or source of your being that is beyond time and space. Consciousness is non-local and not created in the brain, but the brain is needed to download our limitless self into a package to exist in duality.
      Awareness of each moment is the golden key, reason and knowledge is ok to cut your way out of the spiders web of religion and holy scriptures. The best time to realize time is the great illusion is to be present and aware in this moment now. You will the be witness to all the thoughts that don"t like it here and now. The illussion is to then foget lost in thought and the mirage of everyday existence.

      3 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar The moment is time. The ceases to exit without the form and space. the form,time and space are reality within the waking experience. the form,time and space belongs to individuality and individuality is not truth. There is no man but mind. There is no universe but mind. There is no god but mind. There is no waking but mind. The man and his universe and his individual god and waking experience exist only when the mind exist. The mind exists because of ignorance. The ignorance is there until the illusion is experienced as reality. The mind is myth. The world is myth the waking experience is myth.

      Consciousness is that which knows everything, that which sees. Consciousness alone remains after one gets rid of all thoughts and ideas by identification with self. Consciousness is only the seer; it is not Brahman that is an error. It becomes Brahman only after inquiry and reasoning.

      Man of truth is not cut off from practical life within the practical world, because ultimate truth or Brahman is neither realism nor idealism; it is beyond both these.

      The non-dualistic truth is a rational or scientific truth declared by Buddha and Sri,Sankara centuries back but unfortunately the original essence of the rational nonduality is lost because mainly because of orthodoxy and adulteration and add-ons which are based on the ego, which is the false self.

      The seeker has first indulge in deeper self-search without scriptures and understand assimilate the truth independently to realize the real non-dualistic essence, which leads to self-awareness. Thus independent thinking, reasoning and judgment is very much necessary in pursuit of truth.

      3 hours ago ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Think the self is like deep sleep where the waking and dream are absent. start thinking reasoning and concluding everything as formless self. it takes time because of inborn conditioning slowly the subconscious will drop the old habitual pattern of reasoning on the base of form and start reasoning on the base of the formless. But we have to do some effort to become effortlessness.