People who claim seeing God in their in
meditation are truthful! they may tell others a lie or they may be hallucinated with their idea of their individualized God. man and his experience of the world are within the dualistic illusion. whatever is part of the dualistic illusion is not reality. We are discussion about the god within the dualistic illusion. Thus whatever we have seen,known,believed and experienced is bound to be falsehood. Supposing a person has a vision, which experience is true,
but on nondulistic perspective the duality is mere an illusion.
Without knowing what is ultimate truth, one can only guess, imagine, hence doubts and questions and discussions arise.
If one says God is in haven, others say he is within. Again the God may take different form and name. Then which form and name of god is correct? Some contend that God is sound and say one hears the divine sound inside in meditation, still others say God is divine light appears in-between the eyebrows in meditation as the presence of God. All these differences of opinion, they can be endless, show mutual contradiction and general error, that is lack of certain truth. Moreover if one sees form one is seeing a second thing, a seen or an object.
People who are conditioned by religion will not accept anything other than their accepted truth. The scriptures are meant for those who are stuck the practical life within the practical world as reality.
Dualist sages could not distinguish between ‘I’ and ‘formless witness.’ The 'I' was the witness. Their highest was the Jiva. One is so much attached to the 'I' that he do not want to think that 'I' does not exist. Again one is unable to detach the ‘I’ from the Real witness.
Kabir views humanity as being caught up in illusion, searching for Ultimate Reality in all the wrong places, always seeking It outside of ourselves in various rituals, temples, forests and mountaintops, not realizing That for which we seek is already hidden within us.
Without the self-knowledge it is impossible to cross the illusory ocean of the pain and pleasure. There no vessel to ferry man across the ocean of illusory form, time and space except Gnana.
What is Gnana? Gnana means the full and firm realization of truth – a realization beyond all doubts, change and contradiction.
Neither the control of breath, or regulating the breath, nor the performance of selfless service, nor by devotion to gods and gurus, not the performance of penance, nor pilgrimaging, nor by yoga nor by scriptural mastery, the ignorance will not vanish. But only through non-dual wisdom the ignorance can be eradicated. The three states are state of ignorance. All the three states are falsehood. The formless substance and witness of the three states is real and eternal.
Sage Sri Sankara, in Bhaja Govindam says: - [Jnana Viheena Sarva Mathena Bajathi na Muktim janma Shatena] - one without knowledge does not obtain liberation even in a hundred births, no matter which religious faith he follows.
Realize Brahman or ultimate truth here and now, in this very life , not in next life and in ii next world by realizing the fact that this life itself is illusion.
Even non-dualistic orthodoxy has to be considered as dualistic cult because they are based on the karma theory. Believing in karma theory means believing in the experience of birth,life,death and world as reality whereas Sri, Sankara says the universe is myth. It means the the birth,life and death which takes place within the universe also in myth.
Non duality is the state of oneness of existence and there is no scope in its philosophy for anything like non-existence.
Gaudapada’s rational exposition of Advaita: - that Whatever is seen, whether external or internal, whether by the ordinary persons or yogis, is unreal.
The essence of Mandukya's is: Do not be satisfied with rituals, yoga etc. which are good in their own way, but inquire. Inquire in to the nature of the mind. ? Brahman and Atman are things one can never see. So seeker should not inquire into them. He has to inquire into the world around him, which he can see. Analysis tells him it is passing away every second. Everything is dying repeatedly. Where is it going? Thus he follows up his investigation into what he can lay hands on. How can he inquire into Atman which he cannot see? So first he must deal with the known and seen, this inquiry leads up to the unknown in the end.
Mediocre minds waste their time on arguing about unimportant matters. Accumulation of scriptural knowledge is dangerous in pursuit of truth. Seeker has to establish in the truth of Non-duality by sheer reasoning alone. Seeker has to begin by defining "What is real?" "What is unreal?" etc, because that is the right way to discuss, understand and assimilate self-knowledge.Thus seeker has to remove all the hindrance in order to acquire Self-knowledge or Bramha Gnana or Atma Gnana.
In dualistic philosophies the imaginary god is made as creator basing on cause and effect theory. Then the doubt natural arises, who is the cause of the creator. The creator is dependent on creation for his existence. Without the creation the creator ceases to exist. Thus the dualistic theory holds no water, because it is based on mere imagination and speculation, which they try to prove it on citing the mythological stories and doctrine of code of conducts. When the self is not the body then all these dualistic ideologies hold no water. Therefore the devotional paths, which are based on the human conducts, are not the means for TRUTH –REALIZATION.
Even the religious based non-dualism is not the means for truth realization, because their preaching is based on the non-duality but their practice is based on dualistic view point. Therefore, it is difficult to get TRUTH –REALIZATION from conduct based orthodox non-dualism. Thus it looks like the real essence of non-dualism is lost or destroyed in the past by the orthodox oriented priest craft and propagated and injected only priest-crafted non-dualism, to the mass, the reason best known to the masters of the past. Therefore, it is impossible to come out of all these priest crafted confusions in one life time. Through orthodox non-dualism it is impossible to get truth realization.
There is no need to collect all these baggage of confusions, if one is seeking truth, nothing but truth. The guru is necessary only in religious and yogic paths, but guru is not necessary in pursuit of truth. Path of truth is a personal path and it is the path of verification. But in religion and yoga the verification is not allowed. Blind faith is main ingredient in belief system and yoga. Gurudom is playing with words because maybe the meaning is floating somewhere in between the spaces of words...
Without knowing what is ultimate truth, one can only guess, imagine, hence doubts and questions and discussions arise.
If one says God is in haven, others say he is within. Again the God may take different form and name. Then which form and name of god is correct? Some contend that God is sound and say one hears the divine sound inside in meditation, still others say God is divine light appears in-between the eyebrows in meditation as the presence of God. All these differences of opinion, they can be endless, show mutual contradiction and general error, that is lack of certain truth. Moreover if one sees form one is seeing a second thing, a seen or an object.
People who are conditioned by religion will not accept anything other than their accepted truth. The scriptures are meant for those who are stuck the practical life within the practical world as reality.
Dualist sages could not distinguish between ‘I’ and ‘formless witness.’ The 'I' was the witness. Their highest was the Jiva. One is so much attached to the 'I' that he do not want to think that 'I' does not exist. Again one is unable to detach the ‘I’ from the Real witness.
Kabir views humanity as being caught up in illusion, searching for Ultimate Reality in all the wrong places, always seeking It outside of ourselves in various rituals, temples, forests and mountaintops, not realizing That for which we seek is already hidden within us.
Without the self-knowledge it is impossible to cross the illusory ocean of the pain and pleasure. There no vessel to ferry man across the ocean of illusory form, time and space except Gnana.
What is Gnana? Gnana means the full and firm realization of truth – a realization beyond all doubts, change and contradiction.
Neither the control of breath, or regulating the breath, nor the performance of selfless service, nor by devotion to gods and gurus, not the performance of penance, nor pilgrimaging, nor by yoga nor by scriptural mastery, the ignorance will not vanish. But only through non-dual wisdom the ignorance can be eradicated. The three states are state of ignorance. All the three states are falsehood. The formless substance and witness of the three states is real and eternal.
Sage Sri Sankara, in Bhaja Govindam says: - [Jnana Viheena Sarva Mathena Bajathi na Muktim janma Shatena] - one without knowledge does not obtain liberation even in a hundred births, no matter which religious faith he follows.
Realize Brahman or ultimate truth here and now, in this very life , not in next life and in ii next world by realizing the fact that this life itself is illusion.
Even non-dualistic orthodoxy has to be considered as dualistic cult because they are based on the karma theory. Believing in karma theory means believing in the experience of birth,life,death and world as reality whereas Sri, Sankara says the universe is myth. It means the the birth,life and death which takes place within the universe also in myth.
Non duality is the state of oneness of existence and there is no scope in its philosophy for anything like non-existence.
Gaudapada’s rational exposition of Advaita: - that Whatever is seen, whether external or internal, whether by the ordinary persons or yogis, is unreal.
The essence of Mandukya's is: Do not be satisfied with rituals, yoga etc. which are good in their own way, but inquire. Inquire in to the nature of the mind. ? Brahman and Atman are things one can never see. So seeker should not inquire into them. He has to inquire into the world around him, which he can see. Analysis tells him it is passing away every second. Everything is dying repeatedly. Where is it going? Thus he follows up his investigation into what he can lay hands on. How can he inquire into Atman which he cannot see? So first he must deal with the known and seen, this inquiry leads up to the unknown in the end.
Mediocre minds waste their time on arguing about unimportant matters. Accumulation of scriptural knowledge is dangerous in pursuit of truth. Seeker has to establish in the truth of Non-duality by sheer reasoning alone. Seeker has to begin by defining "What is real?" "What is unreal?" etc, because that is the right way to discuss, understand and assimilate self-knowledge.Thus seeker has to remove all the hindrance in order to acquire Self-knowledge or Bramha Gnana or Atma Gnana.
In dualistic philosophies the imaginary god is made as creator basing on cause and effect theory. Then the doubt natural arises, who is the cause of the creator. The creator is dependent on creation for his existence. Without the creation the creator ceases to exist. Thus the dualistic theory holds no water, because it is based on mere imagination and speculation, which they try to prove it on citing the mythological stories and doctrine of code of conducts. When the self is not the body then all these dualistic ideologies hold no water. Therefore the devotional paths, which are based on the human conducts, are not the means for TRUTH –REALIZATION.
Even the religious based non-dualism is not the means for truth realization, because their preaching is based on the non-duality but their practice is based on dualistic view point. Therefore, it is difficult to get TRUTH –REALIZATION from conduct based orthodox non-dualism. Thus it looks like the real essence of non-dualism is lost or destroyed in the past by the orthodox oriented priest craft and propagated and injected only priest-crafted non-dualism, to the mass, the reason best known to the masters of the past. Therefore, it is impossible to come out of all these priest crafted confusions in one life time. Through orthodox non-dualism it is impossible to get truth realization.
There is no need to collect all these baggage of confusions, if one is seeking truth, nothing but truth. The guru is necessary only in religious and yogic paths, but guru is not necessary in pursuit of truth. Path of truth is a personal path and it is the path of verification. But in religion and yoga the verification is not allowed. Blind faith is main ingredient in belief system and yoga. Gurudom is playing with words because maybe the meaning is floating somewhere in between the spaces of words...
-FORMLESS PATH
