Until
one becomes aware of the existence of the formless witness of the three
states the ignorance will prevail and the three states are considered
as individual experiences. Thus it is necessary mentally trace the
existence of the formless witness in order to realize the formless
witness, which is in the form of consciousness alone is real and the
three states are mere mirage created out of consciousness.
How man and his world can exist without waking experience. Whatever we are discussing, we are discussing within the waking experience. One has to know: whether physical body and the world are within the mind or the mind is within the physical body? The mind, physical body, ego and the world are present only, when the whole experience of the waking/dream is present. And mind is absent, when the waking or dream experience is absent. Thus one has to conclude the mind as the whole waking or dream experience. Thus the mind appears and disappears as waking/dream experience. All your arguments are truth only on the base of the ego, which is the false self, within the false experience (waking). The individual experiences within the waking are as real as dream. -FORMLESS PATH
How man and his world can exist without waking experience. Whatever we are discussing, we are discussing within the waking experience. One has to know: whether physical body and the world are within the mind or the mind is within the physical body? The mind, physical body, ego and the world are present only, when the whole experience of the waking/dream is present. And mind is absent, when the waking or dream experience is absent. Thus one has to conclude the mind as the whole waking or dream experience. Thus the mind appears and disappears as waking/dream experience. All your arguments are truth only on the base of the ego, which is the false self, within the false experience (waking). The individual experiences within the waking are as real as dream. -FORMLESS PATH
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Divine Khan dear santtosh , when all else is illusion then what about the rest of people around us ? and if there are no people then whome we are talking to ?4 hours ago ·
Santthosh Kumaar
Dear Divine Khan,
Illusion
Sage Sri Sankara and Maya or illusion
VlSHNUVARDHANA, the King of the Hoysalas, was a Vaishnavite and was greatly incensed at the doctrine taught by Sri, Sankara that everything here below is an illusion. He wanted to teach the exponent of this doctrine a lesson. So he invited the then Sri, Sankara to his palace. That holy man went there and stoutly maintained that everything in this world was illusion. The king had arranged to let loose an infuriated elephant against Sri, Sankara. The beast rushed at Sri, Sankara who took to a precipitate flight to save himself.
'Oh, Venerable Sir,' shouted the king, 'why do you run so fast seeing that the elephant is only an illusion?'
'Oh, king,' said Sri,Sankara in his course of his flight, 'my running too is an illusion. Everything in this world is an illusion.’
Similarly, the experiencing birth, life, death and the world are within the illusion. Due to ignorance, the illusion is experienced as reality. The illusion is present in the form of ‘I’ or mind. Mind is present in the form of universe. Universe appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep. The three states are one in essence and that essence is consciousness. The consciousness (soul) is the innermost self. On the standpoint of the innermost self the three states are illusory.
Thus experiencing the birth, life, death and the world within the illusion (waking or universe) with the illusory self (waking entity or ego), within the illusory experience (waking), has to be illusion.
The illusion is created, and sustained, and finally dissolves as consciousness, which is the innermost Self. Since, there is no second thing other than the consciousness (soul); the consciousness itself is ultimate truth or Brahman. The one who has realized this truth for him this illusion is passing show because he is fully aware of the fact that his body, his ego and his experience of the world to be consciousness. Practical peoples approach is more practical, and they are stuck with the reality of the practical life within the practical world, they take it as real whereas Gnani sees his body his ego and his experience of the world as consciousness.
Divine Khan so i am your illusion or your are my illusion ? or both of us illusion of someone else ? (please don't mind , these are serious questions i am facing )
Santthosh Kumaar
Dream become unreal when waking takes place. That means the dream entity, people within the dream and the dream world becomes unreal. Same way the waking entity and people within the waking experience and the waking world becomes unreal when wisdom dawns.
A person, who stamped his foot on the ground to refute to show the world, is real, ignore that in dream he would do exactly the same--stamp his dream foot on the ground and assert it to be real.
Divine Khan
i completely understand and do agree with what you say about three states and so on , its only possible to have these states when one look at them subjectively , as the source of consciousness but that moment , you turn out to be the only one who knows this entire world and every other reality is just a thought in my own mind , so who are you then ? if you think you are a conscious being then i too think the same and none of us can prove each other's independent existence , this leads to solipsism and its panicking when we see state of solipsism in real , believe me :)
Santthosh Kumaar
When self is neither the waking entity nor the self is dream entity but self is the formless knower of the three states. The self is not an individual because it pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states as their formless substance and witness. In reality the formless substance witness are one in essence. That essence is soul or consciousness, the innermost self. As one's understanding matures than the wisdom dawns.
Santthosh Kumaar For Gnani his body is not body, his ego is not ego, his experience of the world is not world because he is fully aware of the fact that his body, his ego, his experience of the world are mere mirage created out of consciousness. Thus all the three states are mere mirage created out of consciousness. In self awareness the form,time and space are one in essence.
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Santthosh Kumaar U R welcome dear Divine Khan. I admire your humility. thank you . have blissful time.
