Sunday, July 8, 2012

Adyatmic Discussion--311

As Sage Sri, Sankara says:- When the whole universe, movable and immovable, is known to be Atman, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the body is Atman.

If body is not the Atman/self, then the karma theory has no meaning on the standpoint of the truth. Thus no second thing exists other than Atman, therefore why to view the worldview on the standpoint of the body as self (ego or waking entity) when the body(ego or waking entity) is the false self, and the soul or Atman is the true self.

If body is not the self, then the birth, life, death and the universe are bound to be illusion. If birth, life and death are illusion then all conducts actions and their fruits are mere illusion. If body is not the self, then the existence of god, heaven and hell is mere illusion. If body is not the self then all religious beliefs of god is mere illusion. If body is not the self but the Atman (soul) which is in the form of consciousness is the true self, then there is no scope for second thing other than consciousness, therefore consciousness, which is Atman is Brahman or ultimate truth. The Brahman alone is real and eternal. Thus whatever is real eternal has to be identified as god. To identify the real and eternal, one has to overcome the ignorance caused by the illusion. To overcome the ignorance one has to acquire the Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. ---FORMLESS PATH



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    • Nisarga Raman To identify the real and eternal, one has to overcome the ignorance caused by the illusion.-----Sir, but who is there to overcome other than the ignorance itself which is created by conditioning...........whether told by someone or read?

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      The soul is the innermost self. The soul is present in the form of consciousness. It is the soul, which was in ignorance, experiences the duality as reality. When it wakes up to its own true nature there is neither the ego, nor body, nor the world remains as reality. The soul alone remains in its own formless nondual true nature, in self - awareness.
      The dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly the waking becomes unreal when wisdom dawns. Limiting the consciousness to waking or dream (duality) is erroneous. It was present even in deep sleep without the body and without the world (without waking or dream). If consciousness was no there is deep sleep than one will not say he had sound sleep in waking experience. Therefore perfect understanding of ‘what is what’ leads to non-dual self-awareness in midst of duality.
      For that one has to drop all the accumulated knowledge based on the ego (waking entity), which is the false self within the false experience (waking). And lean to view and judge the three states on the base of the formless soul or consciousness, the innermost self, because whatever based on the ego (waking entity) leads to intellectuality.
      Intellectuality is based on individuality. Individuality is falsehood because the self is not an individual because it is formless. The formless soul or consciousness pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states as their formless substance and witness. In the realm of truth the formless substance and witness are one in essence. The essence is consciousness. Thus consciousness alone is real and all else mere illusion because there is no second thing exist other than consciousness.

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