Sunday, February 24, 2013

Adythmic discussion -353 (doer)



Trev Light Bown:- 

Q: - Who is the do er of our thoughts and actions. Can you write and post an answer on my page as I am not agreeing with Praveen on this matter.

 All experiences of individual actions, conducts happenings are within the universe are a mere mirage created out of the formless soul,  the innermost self, which is in the form of  consciousness. All the conceivable actions and happenings are attributable to the  soul , the true self,which is present  in the form consciousness. 

 The doer, doing (action or karma) is present only in the realm of duality. The duality is present only when there is form, time and space. The form, time and space are present only when the universe is present.  The The universe is present only in waking there is waking experience. (also in dream).  The waking is present only when the mind (I) is present.  The mind is present only when there is ignorance. Wisdom dawns when the self (soul) is in the awareness its formless nondual true nature.

In self-awareness the form, time and space are one in essence.  That essence is consciousness.  Thus the doer, doing and the world are one in essence. Therefore in the realm of truth there is neither the doer nor doing nor the world because everything is consciousness.

Thus it is necessary to understand the fact that the self is neither the waking entity nor the self is dream entity but the self is the formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.

Thoughts arise to the person within the waking or dream. Thinker is the form. Without the form the thinking is impossibility. Thus thinker and the thoughts are part of the known. The witness of the knower and the known including the world is formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness. 

Thoughts and thinker are present only when the world is present. The world is present only when the waking experience is present. Waking experience is mere illusion from ultimate standpoint. If the waking experience is mere illusion then the thought, thinker and the world are mere illusion. 

Thought, thinker and the world are nothing to do with the formless witness. The witness is that witnesses the thoughts, the thinker and the world together. The thoughts, thinker and the world are one in essence. And also the three states are one in essence. That essence is consciousness. The consciousness (soul) is the innermost self. The consciousness is the ultimate reality or Brahman or God.

The thoughts cannot rise without form, time and space. Form, time and space are reality within the duality.  The duality is present only when there is ignorance of the soul, the innermost self.

Till man thinks himself as the doer he will remain in ignorance. Till he is ignorant he will not be able to accept the fact that, the thinker, thoughts and the world as   illusion.  Till he realizes the thinker, thought and the world are one in essence he will not be able to accept the fact that the duality (waking experience) as an illusion.

Thought and thinker are reality within the universe.  The thinker and the thought exist within the universe. The man and his experience of the universe is a reality within the waking experience.  The waking experience is mere illusion on the ultimate standpoint.    Therefore, the individual experiences are part of the illusion. Thus thought and the thinker are part of the illusion. The self is ever that which is aware of the thought, thinker and world together without physical apparatus. The thoughts will not rise without the form whereas the self is formless.   Thus self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is necessary to know what is what. 

From the standpoint of the waking entity the universe is a reality from the standpoint of the soul, the innermost self, the universe is mere illusion created out of consciousness. When wisdom dawns then one realizes the whole universe is consciousness. The dualistic view is possible only in the states of ignorance.

There is only need to realize the whole universe in which we exist is created out of consciousness (soul or Atman), the innermost self.  On the standpoint innermost self, the universe is mere illusion created out of consciousness.  Thus on the ultimate standpoint no second thing exists other than consciousness. Thus consciousness is ultimate truth or Brahman.  The Brahman is God. 

Consciousness is the root element of the universe. From consciousness the universe comes into existence. In the consciousness the universe resides. And into the consciousness the universe is dissolved.   Consciousness is the parent of all that is there is.  The consciousness is the only reality, and the universe to but an illusory manifestation. 

Till one thinks the illusion or duality as reality he will not be able to assimilate self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.