Saturday, June 30, 2012

All these individualized Gods are barred by Vedas.



No one saves us but ourselves.

No one can and no one may.


We ourselves must walk the path.

-Buddha


THE MASSES IN INDIA CRY TO SIXTY MILLION GODS, AND STILL DIE LIKE DOGS. WHERE ARE THESE GODS?

Knowing this, stand up and fight! Not one step back that is the idea. ... Fight it out, whatever comes. Let the stars move from the sphere! Let the whole world stand against us! Death means only a change of garment. What of it? Thus fight! You gain nothing by becoming cowards. ... Taking a step backward, you do not avoid any misfortune. You have cried to all the gods in the world. Has misery ceased? The masses in India cry to sixty million gods, and still die like dogs. Where are these gods? ... The gods come to help you when you have succeeded. So what is the use? Die game. ... This bending the knee to superstitions, this selling yourself to your own mind does not befit you, my soul. You are infinite, deathless, birthless. Because you are infinite spirit, it does not befit you to be a slave. ... Arise! Awake! Stand up and fight! Die if you must. There is none to help you. You are the entire world. Who can help you?

- Swami Vivekananda
(Delivered In San Francisco, on May 28, 1900)
The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda/Volume 1/Lectures And Discourses/The Gita II


Kabir views Humanity as being caught up in illusion, searching for Ultimate Reality in all the wrong places, always seeking It outside of ourselves in various rituals, temples, forests and mountaintops, not realizing That for which we seek is already hidden within us. 

The ultimate truth or Brahman dwells within the three states like fragrance in the flower; Musk lies within the Musk-deer yet seeks it afar." Until one trace the truth within the three states the illusion of birth, life, death and the world is experienced as reality.  


In Vedas the God has been described as:-

  Sakshi (Witness)
  Chetan (conscious)
  Nirguna (Without form and properties).
  Nitya (eternal)
  Shuddha (pure)
  Buddha (omniscient)
   Mukta (unattached).
All this the above is the nature of the soul, the innermost self. Thus the innermost self is God.  
That is Atman is Brahman. 
 
All individualized God  and goddesses are false gods based on the false self(ego or waking entity)  within the false experience(waking).  All these individualized Gods are barred by Vedas.   In self-awareness nothing exists other than consciousness (Atman or soul) . thus consciousness is ultimate truth and ultimate truth is Brahman or God.

Physical & mental discipline   such like Karma, Mantra Yaga, Yajna, Puja Japa blind devotion to deity or guru is not the tool for liberation or freedom from experiencing the duality as reality. It is dualistic cult including tradition Advaitic orthodoxy propagate this discipline has no value if one is seeking truth to get non-dual moksha.  

 
So, Yajur Veda indicates that:-

They sink deeper in darkness those who worship sambhuti. (Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol etc [Yajurved 40:9]

Those who worship visible things born of the prakrti, such as the earth, trees, bodies (human and the like) in place of God are enveloped in still greater darkness, in other words, they are extremely foolish, fall into an awful hell of pain and sorrow, and suffer terribly for a long time." [Yajur Veda 40:9.]

The religion of the Veda knows no idols
Max Müller says:- "The religion of the Veda knows no idols; the worship of idols in India is a secondary formation, a degradation of the more primitive worship of ideal gods."

Therefore, there was no individual god or temples and worships in Vedic religion, which existed prior to Buddhism.  Thus the individualized gods and temples must have been built later on, when the worships of idol were introduced.  Thus the Vedic religion which existed in the past was free from idol and nature worship and idol worshiping rituals. 

Thus, the present day’s worship of individual gods, created things, nature and human are against Vedic teachings, and it looks like it has been fabricated and introduced by priest craft. Since it, has passed on from one generation to the next it is hard for the people to believe the truth of their own religion, because they have sentimentally and emotionally involved in it and  they refuse to accept anything else other than their inherited beliefs.  
It is impossible to find and realize the truth via religion and scriptural study. Even Upanishads conform this. 

  That is why Gaudapada says that: - The merciful Veda teaches karma and Upaasana to people of lower and middling intellect, while Jnana is taught to those of higher intellect.


Mysticism, scriptural knowledge, penance based Scholasticism are great hindrance to self-realization. Inherited blind belief   with corresponding actions based on scriptures, worship, ritual faith which imply certain mental and physical discipline, or scripture supporting belief, faith, creed, ritual, theological knowledge personal or opinion leads to hallucinated knowledge.  All these become great hindrance in grasping understanding, assimilating and realizing the Advaitic or non-dual truth.     

Scriptural mastery including ancient Sastras, Tarka, Samkhya disciplines to support Karmas & belief Bhakti Argument & interpretation with help of logic, grammar etc.to support beliefs, revelations, prayers etc. Also dogmas, theological or other based on authorities.

Yoga, Silence, meditation, rituals and devotion are based on the false self and false experience does not yield truth one seeking for because the truth is beyond false self [ego] and false experience [universe]. Mysticism is based on individual experience. The self is not individual because the self, which s in the form of consciousness, pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states. Blind beliefs without verification and argument and interpretation on the base of false self are not verified knowledge therefore it is not truth.

That is why in Mundaka Upanishad says:- The rituals and the sacrifices described in the Vedas deal with lower knowledge. The sages ignored these rituals and went in search of higher knowledge. ... Such rituals are unsafe rafts for crossing The sea of samsara, of birth and death. Doomed to shipwreck are those who try to cross The sea of samsara on these poor rafts. Ignorant of their own ignorance, yet wise In their own esteem, these deluded men Proud of their vain learning go round and round Like the blind led by the blind.

And also in Isa Upanishads indicates that:- By worshiping gods and goddesses and going to the world of gods after death is of no use.  The time one spends in ritualistic practices is wasted; one can spend same time moving forward towards Self-knowledge, which is the main goal. One cannot reach the non-dual destination by glorifying god and goddesses and by doing that, one goes deeper and deeper into darkness. It surely indicates the fact that, the seeker of truth has to drop the worshiping god and goddess in order to get Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.

It also indicates that, Religious Rituals (Avidya) is Karma (action) and therefore a hindrance. By performing Agnihotra and other sacrifices [Avidyais a roundabout way of purifying the mind, and it is also groping in the dark.

In addition, it indicates the karma is limited only to the religious rituals, not on the whole human life. This karma theory based on the human conduct must have been adopted from Buddhism and other theories based on human conducts. 

When it says: Perform the obligatory karmas without any attachment to the fruits, and at the same time worship gods and goddesses, again without any desire to go to heaven - then you can get the benefit of both, liberation and bliss. For those who are not yet ready to renounce, this path is recommended, it mean that the religion and its  idea of god and goddesses and code of conducts, and its rituals are meant for the mass who are incapable of thinking of the beyond.

In addition, it also speaks of heaven the abode of gods, where one goes after death, and it speaks of rebirth, this contradiction, seeker has to conclude that religion, rituals god and its code of conducts are meant for the mass that is not receptive to Self-Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. 




Wednesday, June 27, 2012

Adyatmic Discussion - 309

No one has been liberated with the egocentric spiritual paths and practices. Even anyone claims that they are self- realized that is only hallucinated realization. It is because no Gnani who is truly compassionate holds ‘I’ or ‘I AM’ self, and who thinks self is limited to individual. Thus the all the practices which hold the individual experiences such as bliss and Samadhi as self-realization are mere hallucinating through their imagination. Until one finds satisfaction with the meaning of ornamental words they will be in the prison of emotion. The emotions and sentimentalism is the greatest obstacle in realizing the fact that the self is not form but self is formless, because, the emotion and sentimentalism belongs to the realm of form. To overcome the emotion and sentimentalism one has to realize the fact that, the self is not form. --FORMLESS PATH



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    • Chris Waller
      Enlightenment is for the mind. Freedom is for the mind. The big wow experiences in mind come and go but they are not enlightenment. They are not permanent. As Dayananda is reported to have said, "There is no such thing as enlightenment. There is only a gradual increasing clarity." The formless awareness/consciousness/love is always enlightenment and freedom itself. The gradual clarity is a growing confidence you are that awareness. It is more a shift of perspective than an experience.

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    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dearest Chris Waller, Mind is product of ignorance. On the standpoint of the soul, the innermost self, there is no such thing as enlightenment.
      There is no enlightenment because there is no ignorance in Self-Awareness. When there is no ignorance than there is no mind. If there is no mind, than there is no universe. If there is no universe, than there is no waking. If there is no waking then there is no duality. If there is no duality then it is nondual reality (oneness).
      On the standpoint of the formless soul,which is present in the form of consciousness:-
      "There is nothing to accept,
      Nothing to reject,
      Nothing to hold on to,
      Nothing to let go of,
      Nothing to grasp,
      Nothing to spurn,
      Nothing to embrace,
      Nothing to relinquish,
      Nothing to dissolve.

      This is the truth.

      Only through wisdom self-awareness is possible. Only in the realm of duality we talk about enlightenment, self-realization, wisdom, self-awareness. In self-awareness, there is only oneness. Thus only on the standpoint of soul there is no enlighten meant because there is no duality only nondual self-awareness.

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Monday, June 25, 2012

The 'Self' is within the form, time and space but it is beyond form, time and space.




The 'Self' is within the form, time and space but it is beyond form, time and space.  It is within the form, time and space as their formless substance and 'Self' is without form, time and space as their formless witness.

The time and space is reality on the base of the form. Without the form neither there is time nor space. The form, time and space appear to gather and disappear together in the form of mind.

Mind is present in the form of universe. The universe appears as waking or dream and diapers as deep sleep. The one which is aware of the coming and going of the three states is neither the waking entity nor the dream entity but the formless soul, which is present in the form of consciousness.  When the soul becomes aware of its formless non-dual true nature in the midst of duality it is called ‘Self –Awareness’.

 It is foolish to limit the consciousness only to the form because the consciousness pervades also  in  the time as well as the  space.from ultimate standpoint the form,time and space are mere illusion. whatever exist without form,time and space is non-dual reality.  the self can exist wit or without form,time and space. but the form,time and space cease to exist without the 'Self',which the formless Soul. the soul is present in the form of consciousness. in the state of ignorance we identify the soul as deep sleep. consciously becoming aware of the soul in the midst of waking is called 'Self-Awareness'.