Adyathmic discussion -317(karma)

The karma theory is meant for those who are immersed in worldly life thinking the individual life within the particle world as reality. In the path of truth the karma theory becomes a great obstacle in realizing the truth. 

The reincarnation is based on the karma theory. The karma theory is based on the birth, life and death. The birth, life and death are reality only on the base of the false self. 

Thus whatever based on the false self is bound to be falsehood. By accepting the karma theory is accepting the falsehood as reality. Thus whatever is based on the birth identity will not yield any truth. If one accepts the karma theory then it is impossible to treat the world as illusion. All the pundits’ explanation of karma theory carries no weight on realm of truth from the ultimate standpoint.

When the self is not form but the self is formless soul, how the karma will affect the birthless self.

That Karma which is done in a previous life which produces the present life is a mere religious theory. ‘Ego’  or waking entity  is not the self, and the true self is birthless entity, because it is formless. Karma theory has no value in the realm of truth, because self has no birth. The one which is born, lives and dies is the false entity within the false experience.--FORMLESS PATH

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  Hamish McLean, Rajesh Gupta, Divya Kumar and 3 others like this.
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    Divya Kumar Realization... Enlightenment....is the awakening from the delusion of personal karma. As long as we identify with self = karma and reincarnation! When there is no identification with the self =no karma reincarnation
    
    This is usually a process
    

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    We move from personal self to Universal Self, and as universal self there is no other...so automatically when there is no 'other' there is no blame guilt judgment etc= thus no karma!
    in this awareness… there happens a big sweep of all so called karma of seeming past/or current lives with seeming others!
    
    Then as we abide as no self...it dawns on us there is no me to have a separate track of cayuse and effect... all is just the cosmic play

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    Santthosh Kumaar I respect your views and wisdom. The Karma theory is reality only on the base of the false self, where one thinks body and the universe as reality. When one becomes aware of the fact that, the true self is formless soul, then the karma becomes part and parcel of illusion. My point is that, if one accepts the karma theory as reality, he will never be able to come out of the ignorance. And ignorance makes him believe the cycle of birth, life and death as a reality. Thus the freedom which one is seeking will remain a distant dream. For the one who accepts the birth life and death as a reality, Self-knowledge is impossible.
    
    Thus it is necessary for the seeker of truth to know the fact that, the body which is born, lives and dies is not the self. Since he is taking the body to be the self, he is experiencing the duality as reality.
    
    As Sage Sri, Sankara says:- When the whole universe, movable and immovable, is known to be Atman, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the body is Atman.
    
    If the body is not the Atman/self, then the karma theory has no meaning on the standpoint of the truth. Thus no second thing exists other than Atman, therefore why to view the world-wide on the standpoint of the body as self (ego or waking entity) when the body(ego or waking entity) is the false self, and the soul or Atman is the true self.
    
    If the body is not the self, then the birth, life, death and the universe are bound to be an illusion. If birth, life and death are illusion then all conducts action and their fruits are mere illusion. If the body is not the self, then the existence of god, heaven and hell is mere illusion. If the body is not the self then all religious beliefs of god is mere illusion. If the body is not the self but the Atman (soul) which is in the form of consciousness is the true self, then there is no scope for second thing other than consciousness, therefore consciousness, which is Atman is Brahman or ultimate truth. The Brahman alone is real and eternal. Thus whatever is real and  eternal has to be identified as a god. To identify the real and eternal, one has to overcome the ignorance caused by the illusion. To overcome the ignorance one has to acquire the Self-Knowledge or Bramha Gnana or Atma Gnana.

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Mind (universe) merges into the formless soul (consciousness) and remains not as mind, but as consciousness without the duality

Mind (universe) merges into the formless  soul  (consciousness) and remains not as mind, but as consciousness without the duality. When the soul (consciousness) becomes aware of its true nature then there is no duality. When the soul remains consciously in its own formless nondual true nature   then it is  in its own awareness. 

In  illusion, the soul  forgets  its own formless nondual true nature.  Due to  ignorance the duality is experienced as reality.  The duality is the state of ignorance.    In the state of ignorance  the waking entity views and judges the three states. 

The waking or dream is the world of objects. And waking and dream is an object to the  formless soul, which is the subject.  Without the knowledge of the subject the object will remain as reality. Once one becomes aware of the subject the reality of the object cease to exist as reality.

The knowledge of an object (three states) as a subject is the cause of the ignorance.  Thus it is necessary to examine the nature of the object in order to realize the fact that the object is not the subject.

 The subject is not the form but it is formless.  The knower of the object is the subject, which is consciousness. So, the object has no existence without the subject. Therefore it is erroneous view and judge, the truth on the base of object as subject.

Conscious ignorance of all objects (three states)means really the positive knowledge of the formless soul, the innermost self, which pervades everywhere and everything in the object. Consequently, the ignorance of the ordinary man in deep sleep is really the knowledge of his own self, which is awareness.

One can say about his deep sleep experience only when waking takes place that is in the states of ignorance.

The ignorance of the mind  or the  universe in deep sleep is nothing but the knowledge of the self, which is self-awareness. Thus the experience in deep sleep, if properly understood, is only one; and that is the formless  soul, which is in the form of consciousness. There is only one there; and hence the ignorance of the many is no experience at all.