Wednesday, March 20, 2013

Adyathmic discussion --357

Trev Light Bown:- I have no argument with the above. But you are saying no Guru found truth from a Master/disciple. Papaji, and Mooji. Are you denying that they are awake. A true Guru does not impart book knowledge or accumulated knowledge but points to it within the disciple. Ok, it is no use to myself as I prefer to find out.

But for you to say someone else is not awake is the game of comparison. True self awakening to formless consciousness has no concern about other teachers or Guru but accepts them as the same space as self.

S.K:- Thank you dearest Trev. very kind of you. I appreciate about your views and opinion. I respect everyone’s views and wisdom.   I speak only about my own conviction. I never indulge in rating the gurus.  In deeper self-search whatever is reveled I  post it to help the fellow seeker. there is no need for  a guru or any teaching if the seeker is sharp enough to grasp  by finding the truth of the universe(whole).

Egocentric teachings are nothing to do with Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana.   Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana is not accumulated knowledge.
A Gnani do not consider himself as wise and others are less wise. No one is wise or less wise in in pursuit of truth. The inner revolution starts within and ends within. Gnani is neither a scriptural scholar nor he is a philosopher.  Gnani neither a teacher nor he has any teaching.  He silently works and helps the fellow seekers inspiring them guiding them towards inner reality in his own way. The scholar will remain as scholars and philosophers will remain as philosophers and intellectual remains as intellectuals arguing on their point of view. Gnani never propagates any philosophy because philosophy is nothing to do with pursuit of truth but he points out, the obstacles, which is blocking everyone’s realization.

There is no need to   compared or condemned any one. The wisdom will not dawn by comparing and condemning any gurus. FP BLOGS highlights the obstacles which are blocking one from realizing the ultimate truth or Brahman.  There is no compulsion for anyone to accept what I say in my blogs.  

Opinions belong to scholasticism, not to Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana. Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana has no use for opinions.

If one has a belief, it is because somebody else believes it; or the majority believes it--or it is his   own experience. Is it religious authority or religious sanction or is it based upon a feeling of certainty? Does one believe it merely because it works well or is it true? The feeling is based on the ego whereas the ultimate truth is based on the soul. Thus whatever we discuss in the realm of duality has no meaning in non-dualistic reality.    Nearly all people want their own imagination, not truth. 

One need not doubt that mystics saw God or Goddesses in their vision. That they saw visions may he an undeniable fact. But the question is “Was what they saw the Truth? 

They no doubt had such vision but they never stopped to inquire if their visions be true. One has to take all the facts and then find out which is the truth through deeper self-search.  The seeker of truth has to collect as much evidence as possible, even contradictory, and then proceed to examine all of it and Analyze, how far is it true.   

Gaudapada’s rational exposition of Advaita: - that whatever is seen, whether external or internal, whether by the ordinary persons or yogis, is unreal. 

Shruti has directly denied manifoldness in Brahman. The non-dual cause being an established fact, how could the phenomenal universe be different from It?   

The Shruti has condemned (the belief in variety) in the words, “The person who”, being deceived by Maya, “sees variety in this (Brahman), goes from death to death”. 

Inasmuch as all beings are born of Brahman, the supreme Atman, they must be understood to be verily Brahman. 

The Shruti has clearly declared that Brahman alone is the substratum of all varieties of names, forms and actions. 

The Shruti in the form of the Brihadaranyaka has declared that this Atman, which is the Self of all, is verily Brahman.

Sage Sri, Sankara’s commentary:-  Page 489: "The knower of Brahman wears no signs.  Page 500 asks in effect "Tell us what you know, show it, and let us examine it under the mental microscope." It means we must bring notions and beliefs out of vagueness into clearness. It also criticizes the mystics who claim superior knowledge but who cannot communicate it for purposes of verification.

On page 482: On Gnani: "The knower of Brahman wears no signs. Gives up the insignia of a monk's life,…his signs are not manifest, nor his behavior."  

Consciousness” is the only reality and there is no second thing exist other than consciousness. That consciousness through its illusory nature   appears as the whole universe. But this is just the play of consciousness, even as an actor in a drama remains unchanged throughout although consciousness   plays different roles. 

The seemingly obvious duality between consciousness (soul) and universe (mind) does not actually exist because both are one in essence. If only one transcend this phenomenal illusion and experience of duality with consciousness, he would then be not the individual with his experience of the world but one with it--the Absolute, infinite Reality. 

When the soul is in its formless true nature, misery, suffering, fear, desire and hatred --none of these would bind it. If it is in ignorance, then of course he is bound by shackles of experiencing, the illusory “birth, life, death and the world as reality ".But actually there is nothing other than the soul or consciousness, the innermost "SELF'.

So in the absence of any such thing as dual, who binds whom and what is this bondage itself? When one is delivered from this bondage he attains self-awareness. In self-awareness is complete freedom from experiencing illusory duality as reality.

The experience of birth, life, death and the world is the reality within the waking experience. The innermost   Self is nothing to do with the experience of birth, life death because it is birthless. The one, which is born, lives and dies is in the world is the waking entity. Waking entity is not the self.  The self is that, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states without the physical apparatus.   The experience of birth, life, death and the world (waking) is an object to the formless subject (the soul, the innermost self).  Thus the object (mind or the universe or waking) is mere illusion on the standpoint of the formless subject (soul). 

Man has a firm conviction that he is an individual separate from the world and world existed prior to him and he is born in in it afterwards.  This conviction makes him remain in ignorance. And ignorance makes him accept the illusion as reality.  Thus he is caught up in the web of illusion experiencing the birth, life, death and the world as reality. 

What is this universe (samsara), what is this illusion to the formless soul or consciousness, the innermost self?  Consciousness and the universe both are one in essence ultimately. 

Only people who are stuck to the reality of the universe think the body as body, ego as ego and the world as world.  It never strikes in them the waking experience in which they exist along with their world also as unreal as a dream.   

The dream becomes unreal when waking takes place and the waking becomes unreal when waking entity gets wisdom and realizes it is not the self but the self is the formless witness (soul) of the three states.  The consciousness is within the three states as their formless substance and it is apart from the three states as their formless witness.  It is apart because it is not and entity or identity within the three states. 

The person, who stamped their feet on the ground to refute to show the world, is real, ignore that in a dream he would do exactly the same--stamp his dream foot on the ground and assert it to be real. 

When wisdom dawns, the soul, the innermost self, wakes up in its formless non dual true nature in the midst of duality (waking). For a Gnani the body, ego and the universe are a mere mirage created out of consciousness. 

When the universe (mind) is considered not different from the consciousness (soul), which is the innermost self, then there is the division of form, time and space.  When form, time and space are one in essence then where is the universe (mind).   

The universe (waking) is both real and unreal. It is real because it is a manifestation of consciousness, but is unreal, in the sense, that it is not absolute and eternal like consciousness itself.

Many thinkers approach is more practical, and they are stuck with the reality of the universe (waking), they take it as real. Thus they are stuck to the reality of the illusory experience of the birth, life, death and the world as reality.  Thus it is necessary to realize the man and the world confronts him are one in essence in order to realize the form, time and space are one in essence. 

When one realizes the fact that, the whole universe and its contents, movable and immovable, is known to be consciousness, and thus the existence of everything else is negated, where is then any room to say that the universe is universe. Universe and its contents bound to be consciousness.   

Sage Sri , Sanakara said:- (VC)65. As a treasure hidden underground requires (for its extraction) competent instruction, excavation, the removal of stones and other such things lying above it and (finally) grasping, but never comes out by being (merely) called out by name, so the transparent Truth of the self, which is hidden by Maya and its effects, is to be attained through the instructions of a knower of Brahman, followed by reflection, meditation and so forth, but not through arguments. 

One cannot expect mental spoon feeding for everything.  Seeker has to do his own homework.  One will not understand it through argument, which leads nowhere but to perversity. 
That is why BUDDHA SAID: - Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true. 

That is why Sri, Sankara says in commentary in Vedanta sutra that what is accepted without proper enquiry will not lead a person to the final goal. On the contrary, such acceptance will result only in evil, in something which is detrimental to our spiritual progress.   Seeker of truth should not believe blindly in traditional orthodox non-duality without verifying all the facts from every angle. One has to reflect through reasoning over and over again without getting tired of the process. 
That is why Sri, Sankara:- VC  58. Loud speech consisting of a shower of words, the skill in expounding the Scriptures, and likewise erudition - these merely bring on a little personal enjoyment to the scholar, but are no good for Liberation.

59. The study of the Scriptures is useless so long as the highest Truth is unknown, and it is equally useless when the highest Truth has already been known.

60. The Scriptures consisting of many words are a dense forest which merely causes the mind to ramble. Hence men of wisdom should earnestly set about knowing the true nature of the Self.
61. For one who has been bitten by the serpent of Ignorance, the only remedy is the knowledge of Brahman. Of what avail are the Vedas and (other) Scriptures, Mantras (sacred formulae) and medicines to such a one?

62. A disease does not leave off if one simply utter the name of the medicine, without taking it; (similarly) without direct realisation one cannot be liberated by the mere utterance of the word Brahman.

There is nothing more rational, more intelligible and more un-dogmatic insights of Sage  Sri, Sankara, is to drop all the theistic non-duality or Advaita which is meant for those who are incapable and not receptive to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.

If one merely theorizes, tries to understand through his intellect and there contended he cannot become a Gnani but he becomes a scholar or pundit.  The  Seeker of truth must make what he has understood and assimilated has to be  realized, to get firm conviction of the non- dualistic truth or ultimate truth or Brahman,   than only it is possible for him to transcend all the limitations of the experience of form, time and space.   

The existence beyond limitations of form, time and space is known as Moksha or Nirvana. Spiritual freedom or self-realization is the goal of every seeker of truth.