Friday, January 15, 2010

How can the birth, karma, death, rebirth, and reincarnation, which take place in unreal world [waking/dream], can be true





In Orthodox Advaita they accept karma theory.  If they accept the karma theory, one will not reach the non-dual destination. If one accept karma theory then it is impossible to treat the world as illusion. All the pundits’ explanation of karma theory carries no weight on realm of truth.

The birth, life and death are part of the waking experience, which is mere illusion on the standpoint of the true self [consciousness].  It is no use of saying that, we are not born, we do not die because, because we all were born and we all are going to die. However, the birth, life and death are part of the illusion, which comes and goes as waking experience.  The formless substance and witness of the three states is real, which is our true identity.   The Self which is in the form of consciousness has no birth and death. The ultimate nothing to do with the religious based Advaita, which is based on Vedas.   That is way the Upanishads declared the truth cannot be realized by studying Vedas.

  A Gnani will never say we are not born; we are not going to die.   Only to the mediocre, who nod their head, he will say this to inspire them to think of the formless true identity, which is birth less, deathless.   Thus, it is wrong to say we are not born, and we do not die by limiting the self to the physical entity.  If one limits the self to the physical entity alone, one gets only half-truth.  The consciousness pervades all the three states, as its formless substance and witness.  The formless substance and witness, which is our true self [true identity]. Without knowing the true self-mere saying, we are not born, we do not die is not the knowledge, which has come from depth, it is mere bookish knowledge. Unity in diversity is not possible through bookish knowledge.

Sri, Sankara declared: - The world is unreal. He never said body is unreal. He would have said only birth and death is   unreal, he did not say that, he said the world is unreal.   He meant   the world including the body, because the body and world appear together and disappear together [waking/dream].  Then we have to conclude, what remain without the body and the world as reality.

How can the birth, karma, death, rebirth, and reincarnation, which take place in unreal world [waking/dream], can be true.   The one, which is aware of the birth, life death, rebirth and reincarnation [illusion/unreal], is formless reality, which is the true self/true identity.  The formless self is your true identity, which is birthless and deathless but it is the witness of the birth, life and death and rebirth [illusion/unreal].

 On the standpoint of true identity the birth, life, death, rebirth and reincarnation theory is part of the illusion/unreal.  The body cannot reincarnate, the body and the world are created out of the same formless stuff. Until one views and judges on the base of flesh, bone and blood [five elements], he will not be able to grasp the non-dual truth.  Thus, one must know on what standpoint, we are not born and we do not die thoroughly, just by hearsay views, it will not lead anyone to the non-dual destination.

Seeker has to learn to view and judge on the standpoint of formless witness/soul/self. Then he will be never having any confusion.  When one thinks deeply then only the inner revelation starts and start burning the dross [confusion/doubts].

Seeker will have enough material stored in his subconscious by reading F.P BLOGS; all will start yielding fruits and start revealing, when he stars thinking very deeply.

F.P blogs are not teaching, they are only sign post for those who are seriously seeking truth.  This is the inner process every serious seeker experiences.  The inner dialogue will start and he will start getting answers from inner core of his existence. 

Every teaching has to be thoroughly verified through deeper discrimination. If the teaching is egocentric than drop it as useless. If it is purely soul- centric   than accept it as truth. If it is mixed with both then also it has to be dropped.  

ZEN Buddhism Satori is not highest wisdom, because it comes as flashes, it does not depend on seeing the world, and does not depend upon mental sharpness so much as intuition. Zen Buddhists are only mystics--they do not offer proof. How is their main method different from that of Christian mystics, Hindu mystics, all of whom do not seek to prove by reason, but by "I know," intuition?
ZEN may get a flash of peace but that is not the same as Vedantins who realizes that the whole world is yourself. Zen is mysticism.

Zen is quite alright in mentioning non-duality: it is the nearest doctrine to true Advaita outside India, but nevertheless it is still inferior because:

v  It fails to prove non-duality


v  It illogically gives koan exercises as a means of attaining That which is beyond attainment, because always here


v  It talks of insight or intuition to see Reality when sight involves a second thing, duality.

When one says "Nothing is" what is the meaning of "is"? "Sunya" is something which exists: one cannot prove that consciousness does not exist.


Zen Buddhism gives a high important place to meditation practice, but then so does the Advaita. The truth is that Zen advocates the necessity of meditation for those of its adherents who cannot grasp the absolute truth.

ZEN BUDDHISM is also on this lower stage of Yoga, because it depends on flashes of Intuition gained by meditation, not by reasoning.


ZEN: Suzuki's "Zen Contributions to Japanese History" now causes to revise unfavorably the former good estimate of Zen. It is presented there as largely mysticism, while the present day life in Japan plus China war reveals no trace of Zen influence.

Has the Void a meaning? If so then it is only one’s imagination.

Buddha gave up yoga after practicing it for six years. He saw it could not yield truth.

Page.70/71 "Buddhism In Translation” by Warren quoted as showing how Buddha gave up his austerities of yoga as impossible and useless. Thus Buddha got enlightenment only after he gave up Yoga. Unless one exercises his Reason--there is no chance of getting the non- dualistic truth.

Buddhism has not proved the truth of Non-duality. Buddha pointed out unreality of world, we agree. He told people they were foolish to cling to it. But he stopped there. He came nearest to non-duality   in speech but not to non-duality fully. 

Most of the modern thinkers teaching seems essentially negative, a potent but bitter medicine for those imprisoned by institutional cults. They break the seeker’s bonds, but then lead him to a vast desert where they abandon him. The ultimate state of consciousness they describes is that of the traditional sage or fully enlightened being, but he does not show us the process leading to the realization of this state. They describe marvelously the goal, but do not indicate the steps to be taken: their recurring phrases "unified consciousness" or ‘I AM THAT’ and "let go" are not a roadmap to realize the ultimate truth or Brahman.