J&R
Santtosh:
Once again you dazzle me with your intellect. What you wrote to me was brilliant, and to which I can only add...
Who understands? No one, because there is no such thing as a "who."
No one understands because all of "I" and "who" is illusory.
The "one who understands" finally, does not exist.
Soul is not an object, yet conditioned mind objectifies soul, and thus destroys it, and the opportunity to observe the natural state AS the natural state.
If I understand the last part...
All that is known within the waking or dream is fallacy because the three states are an object to the soul [no one], which is the subject. The subject [soul] is within the object but it is without the object. It [soul] is always no one [formless] because it is not an entity or identity within the waking or dream but consciousness /soul [no one] pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states.
... "soul" is another word for the natural state, yes? Soul thus becomes through the word, an identified object, AND (through meditative awareness), an unconditioned subjective experience of "I," which, though formless, can still objectively recognize the difference between "the dream/illusion of ego/conditioned mind," and the formless, temporal nature of all phenomena.
Such fun!
Many Blessings
Once again you dazzle me with your intellect. What you wrote to me was brilliant, and to which I can only add...
Who understands? No one, because there is no such thing as a "who."
No one understands because all of "I" and "who" is illusory.
The "one who understands" finally, does not exist.
Soul is not an object, yet conditioned mind objectifies soul, and thus destroys it, and the opportunity to observe the natural state AS the natural state.
If I understand the last part...
All that is known within the waking or dream is fallacy because the three states are an object to the soul [no one], which is the subject. The subject [soul] is within the object but it is without the object. It [soul] is always no one [formless] because it is not an entity or identity within the waking or dream but consciousness /soul [no one] pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states.
... "soul" is another word for the natural state, yes? Soul thus becomes through the word, an identified object, AND (through meditative awareness), an unconditioned subjective experience of "I," which, though formless, can still objectively recognize the difference between "the dream/illusion of ego/conditioned mind," and the formless, temporal nature of all phenomena.
Such fun!
Many Blessings
Dear J& r,
If one inquires “who am I?” or “what am I ?” he will never be able to reach the ultimate end. Who or Am represents physicality. To understand ‘I’ in a broader prospect, we have to verify the very existence of the ‘I’. Since people think ‘I’ as self, they will never be able to go deeper in inquiry. The “Who am ‘I’? or “What am ‘I’? Inquiry is helpful for the beginners, but they are inadequate penetrate to Ultimate end. Therefore, instead of who, or am, we have to investigate the very existence of the ‘I’ which appears and disappears. When ‘I’ appears the ego, body and the world appears together, and when ‘I’, disappears then the ego, body and world disappears together. So the ‘I’ is not limited to the physical entity alone, but ‘I’ is the mind, which contains the whole universe in you and me and other exists. So we all appear together and we disappear together. Thus we all exists within the ‘I’/mind. The mind appears as waking or dream. But the witness of the mind is within the three states but it is formless and apart from the three states. It is nothing to do with the individual experiences within the waking or dream. It remains with or without the waking or dream. If it remains consciously without the waking or dream then is true nature of the soul/self. If it is unconsciously remains without the waking or dream it is deep sleep or yogic Samadhi.
The states are identified due to ignorance cause by considering the ‘I’ as self. When one becomes aware of the fact that the ‘I’ is not the self, then one realize all the states are illusory.
The one which understands does not exist as person perceiving the world, but it exists as the soul eternally, which is called Brahman, Buddha’s nature, Christ in the past.
We are unconscious of the consciousness, which is aware of both conscious and unconscious experiences. The Unconsciousness can only be a consciousness without objects; otherwise it has no meaning. Therefore it is really and somehow consciousness. Through study of the mind one gradually becomes aware that it is what intellectuals’ calls "The Unconscious" which is at the back of it all, and what is called the soul/self, which is in the form of consciousness.
