Saturday, July 16, 2011

Adyatmic discussion-29




Trevor Lightbown
Conscousness can be such a crowded place with all your thoughts as differing me personalities blocking out the witness.
May 11 at 2:39am · ·


  • Simon Herfet likes this.

    • Santthosh Kumaar Until ignorance is there the diversity prevails as reality. Because man and his experience of the world are part of the diversity the ignorance dominates. When ignorance vanishes than the witness and witnessed become one and there is only non-dual reality. Thus consciousness cannot exist in its formless true nature in the experience of diversity because it is been idetified with things,forms and name.
      May 11 at 7:31am ·
Posted by sunthosh2009@hotmail.com at 1:37 PM
Labels:

Adyatmic discussion -28

Trevor Lightbown
The observer of a thought is not the thinker who thought it but the witness that disolved it.
May 11 at 2:55am · ·


  • 4 people like this.

    • Bina Paul Surya Namaskar Trevorji....great insight....thanks :)
      May 11 at 6:46am · · 1 person

    • Santthosh Kumaar The observer is the one which observers the thinker and thought together. the thought will not rise without the form. Thus the thinker has to be the form. The thinker and thought are part of the illusion. When one becomes aware of the fact that the subject and object are one in essence than observed will merge with observer and becomes one .
      May 11 at 8:09am · · 1 person

    • Trevor Lightbown The thinker is the thought that created the form long ago in past lives. The witness as consciousness in all forms must awaken to it"s own divinity by self realization. By being aware 24/7 of the chattering thoughts that make up your person.
      May 14 at 3:55am ·

    • Trevor Lightbown In other words. What you thought in a previous life created your body in this life. What you think in this life is creating your body for next life. Why do you suppose that Buddha extinguished his wheel of rebirth by awareness of his thoughts as they arose in the moment.
      May 14 at 4:03am ·

    • Bina Paul ‎@....Just sharing...so did Ramakrishna Paramhanas... hung by his one thought for Swami Vivekananda sake ... the desire for food and he then let it go by making his wife aware of it...:)
      May 14 at 6:32am ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Trevor ,Deeper self-revels the fact that:-when the self is not the form self is the formless birth-less eternal reality than there is no question of past,present and future life. Rebirth theory is reality on the base of waking entity. waking entity[ego] is the false self within the false experience. The waking experience itself is an illusion from the ultimate standpoint. Thus the theory of past birth and rebirth is religious fable. Thus holding on to rebirth and karma theory is greatest obstacle in pursuit of truth.

      May 14 at 7:39am ·

Posted by sunthosh2009@hotmail.com at 1:34 PM
Labels:

Adyatmic discussion-27




  • Trevor Lightbown
    Thought can see only through the mind that thought has created as a person.
    Yet within all this smoke and mirrors of illusion is a witness.
    The undivided self or source of everything born of nothingness void.
    Call it what you will. But no thought will ever stick a label on IT .
    May 13 at 2:50pm · ·


    • 5 people like this.

      • Sarah Phoenix Rising James Never a truer statement Trevor ~ well said indeed! ♥
        May 13 at 2:58pm · · 1 person

      • Santthosh Kumaar
        Dear Trevor , The thinker and thought are part of the illusion/mirage. The thought will not arise without the form. The form will not arise without the mind. The minds cease to exist without the consciousness, which is in the true self. Therefore, there is a need to know the “Self” is not limited to the physical entity, but it pervades in everything and everywhere in the experience of diversity [waking/dream]. The self [consciousness] remains in its formless non-dual true nature which is identified as deep sleep in ignorance or duality. There is neither thinker, nor the thought in reality. The one who bases himself on the thinker and thought or creation and creator will not be able cross the threshold duality. All the three states are created, sustained by the consciousness and finally dissolves itself remains in its formless non-dual nature. There is no second thing other than the consciousness. Thus everything else other than the consciousness is illusion. Thus the consciousness alone is real all else is mere mirage.
        Thus, the individual experiences, which are happening within the waking experience, are also as good as dream. The one which is aware of the appearance and disappearance of the three states is the consciousness. Thus, the thought arises to the individual. And Individuality is falsehood within the false experience. Thus it is necessary to know the self is not ‘I’ but the formless consciousness in order to grasp the non-dual truth.
        «smile»
        «« Santthosh attached an emoticon.
        Enable emoticons at http://apps.facebook.com/b​londsmileys/?aff=3as »»

        May 13 at 8:13pm · · 1 person

      • Trevor Lightbown That is what I am saying. The person is a fiction of thought. The thinker is itself nothing but a creation of thought. The witness consciousness looks through the conditioned veil of thought and gets lost in duality of time and space. The mind like the person is all a creation of thought. True self is consciousness witness undivided by a me thought.
        May 14 at 12:37am ·

      • Santthosh Kumaar
        The true self is undivided by experience not by thought, because the experience is prior to thought. Without the waking experience there is neither the thinker nor thought. To overcome the duality one has to drop the all the three states mentally sticking to the witness of the three states. Me thought is limited to physicality and physicality is reality within the waking experience. And it is impossible to get rid of the thought without understanding what is mind?.

        May 14 at 9:15am ·

      • Trevor Lightbown
        What experience can be prior to thought? Is there a thinker at all? Who is it that has to overcome duality. Who is doing the dropping of all three states if not a seeker or person of thought. Maybe our words have different meaning. Pleas...See More

        May 14 at 5:37pm ·

      • Santthosh Kumaar
        Thought and thinker are reality within the mind, which is in the form of universe. The Universe appears as waking or dream experience. Within the waking experience waking entity gets thoughts. Within the dream, the dream entity gets thoug...See More

        May 14 at 6:35pm · · 1 person

      • Santthosh Kumaar There are more than thousand bogs on this subject--@-http://sunthosh/-formlesspath.blogspot.com
        May 14 at 6:37pm ·

      • Trevor Lightbown Yes wel I agree with everything you say on that. But you mention a waking entity and a dream entity. What is this?
        May 14 at 11:58pm ·

      • Santthosh Kumaar Waking entity is your present identity as Trevor within the waking experience . if you were Alexander the great in the dream that is dream entity within the dream.
        May 15 at 5:29pm ·
Posted by sunthosh2009@hotmail.com at 1:31 PM
Labels:

Adyatmic discussion- 26





Trevor Lightbown
The unobserved thought shall go out into the night and become what your belief intended or feared it to happen. Awareness shall nip it in the bud before it sprouts.
May 14 at 4:19am · ·


  • 5 people like this.

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Deeper self search revels the fact that :- self is not the form but self is formless. thus all our understanding,reasoning, judgments and conclusions have to be based on the formless self to unfold the truth. Without the form the thought will not rise. The form,ego,thought and the universe rises together and disappear together. The form,ego,thought ,world are made of same stuff ,which is consciousness. Thus observer and the observed are one in essence.

      May 14 at 8:33am · · 3 people
Posted by sunthosh2009@hotmail.com at 1:28 PM
Labels:

Adyatmic discussion -25

 
If God had chopped down that damned tree of knowledge we wouldn't have 6 billion thoughts running about the Earth thinking they owned it. Awaken to your thoughts Now before the mother Earth awakens you.
May 23 at 3:42am · ·


  • Trevor Lightbown and 7 others like this.

    • Lara Compton That's like saying 'if the world had no history, there'd be nothing to repeat'
      May 23 at 4:03am ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Creator and creation is mere religious fable. Creator and creation is part of the duality/illusion. In non-duality there is neither creation nor creator. Cause and effect theory holds good only when one views and judges the worldview on the...See More

      May 23 at 7:53am · · 2 people

    • Tarun Patwal Consciousness is all there is ...........!!! It is so obvious that it eludes......us
      May 23 at 9:57am · · 1 person

    • Trevor Lightbown Consciousness never has existed and never will exist. The cosmic source nothingness is only perceived to exist by a thought that is conditioned to think me from an early age. The void witness within every atom is the mover and do-er of the universal force within everything. How can any seeker find nothing.
      May 23 at 6:09pm · · 1 person

    • Marie S Medium Mother Earth has been doing this since the yer dot .....
      May 24 at 2:19pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Without the consciousness how one can know the source is nothingness. The consciousness is prior to anything that exists. Nothingness is the nature of consciousness . Thus consciousness is the source from where the mind or universe rises and subsides. thus perfect understanding and assimilation is necessary to realze what is what.
      May 24 at 2:25pm ·

    • Lara Compton one can't know 'consciousness' in the same way one can't 'know' God.
      May 24 at 2:26pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar The inner most self is god . The consciousness is the inner most self.
      May 24 at 2:30pm ·

    • Tarun Patwal Consciousness too is transient...........The ETERNAL lies beyond .............!!!
      May 24 at 3:04pm ·

    • Lara Compton Consciousness IS God.
      May 24 at 3:13pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      It is impossible to know what is transient and what is beyond without consciousness . Consciousness is within the universe and it is without the universe. The formless substance and witness of the universe or mind is consciousness. thus the...See More

      May 24 at 3:40pm ·

    • Lara Compton So you think consciousness is within the mind? Not the heart? Are you conscious when of mind?
      May 24 at 3:43pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar First find out whether the mind is within the body or body and universe are within the mind. There is a need to know 'what is mind?' and 'what is the substance of the mind?' in order to know the ultimate truth.
      May 24 at 3:49pm ·

    • Tarun Patwal But Consciousness that "I Am" does not stay at all times.........and seems to appear and disappear..........
      May 24 at 3:49pm ·

    • Lara Compton Personally I'd say GET OUT OF YOUR MIND!
      May 24 at 3:52pm ·
    • Deeper selfsearch is necessry to understand,assimilate and realze what is what. The universe exists because you exist. Without your existence universe ceases to exist. Thus your existence is important for the existence of the universe. You exist, because the universe exists. Thus existence of the universe is necessary for your existence because you exist within the universe. Thus you and the universe co-exist together. Thus it is necessary to know, how the universe which contains everything exists, not the things bifurcated by form and names within the universe.

      Whatever Plants, animals, people, planets, stars, and ocean mountains everything, which is seen, known and believed and experienced as person are within the universe. The universe appears when the mind [I] appears and universe disappears when the mind [I] disappears. Thus, it is necessary to realize the mind is in the form of universe, which appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep.

      Mind is universe, because when the mind [I] is there then only the universe is there. The ego, body, universe appear together and disappear to gather. Limiting the mind [I] to the physical entity is cause of the ignorance. The body, ego, universe ceases to exist without the mind. If one of these is absent then the mind is also absent. Thus mind is the whole universe, which appears as waking or dream[duality] and disappears as deep sleep[non-duality] Thus one which is aware of the appearance and disappearance of dual and non-dual experiences is not the form[body or ego] but formless[consciousness].

      The consciousness [soul] is the true self. The true self is the source of the three states. These three states deceive; the people fail to look beyond them to its source, which is real, supreme and imperishable. The three states are mere mirage/illusion. It is difficult to overcome the illusion without the wisdom. But one can cross over this illusion, by realizing and becoming aware of the fact that, the self is not physical but it is consciousness.

      People are deluded by illusion, because they have immersed in the illusion experiencing it as reality. They are ignorant because they think the self is physical and birth, life, death and world as reality. Having lost all discrimination, they follow the way of their physical nature. When ignorance vanishes through wisdom then only it is possible to negate the illusion, the mortal becomes immortal. When all the physical shackles that strangle the self are loosened, the mortal becomes immortal, here in this very life.

      The ultimate understanding is: Nothing has actually been created. All that appears is mere mirage. Everything is consciousness and nothing can be a part of it. No second thing exist other than consciousness, neither the man nor the world, which contains all the objects exits in non-dual reality.
Posted by sunthosh2009@hotmail.com at 1:24 PM
Labels:
Subscribe to: Posts (Atom)