Adyatmic discussion-27

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  Trevor Lightbown

  Thought can see only through the mind that thought has created as a person.
  Yet within all this smoke and mirrors of illusion is a witness.
  The undivided self or source of everything born of nothingness void.
  Call it what you will. But no thought will ever stick a label on IT .

  May 13 at 2:50pm · ·

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      Sarah Phoenix Rising James Never a truer statement Trevor ~ well said indeed! ♥
      

      May 13 at 2:58pm · · 1 person
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      Santthosh Kumaar
      

      Dear Trevor , The thinker and thought are part of the illusion/mirage. The thought will not arise without the form. The form will not arise without the mind. The minds cease to exist without the consciousness, which is in the true self. Therefore, there is a need to know the “Self” is not limited to the physical entity, but it pervades in everything and everywhere in the experience of diversity [waking/dream]. The self [consciousness] remains in its formless non-dual true nature which is identified as deep sleep in ignorance or duality. There is neither thinker, nor the thought in reality. The one who bases himself on the thinker and thought or creation and creator will not be able cross the threshold duality. All the three states are created, sustained by the consciousness and finally dissolves itself remains in its formless non-dual nature. There is no second thing other than the consciousness. Thus everything else other than the consciousness is illusion. Thus the consciousness alone is real all else is mere mirage.
      Thus, the individual experiences, which are happening within the waking experience, are also as good as dream. The one which is aware of the appearance and disappearance of the three states is the consciousness. Thus, the thought arises to the individual. And Individuality is falsehood within the false experience. Thus it is necessary to know the self is not ‘I’ but the formless consciousness in order to grasp the non-dual truth.
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      May 13 at 8:13pm · · 1 person
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      Trevor Lightbown That is what I am saying. The person is a fiction of thought. The thinker is itself nothing but a creation of thought. The witness consciousness looks through the conditioned veil of thought and gets lost in duality of time and space. The mind like the person is all a creation of thought. True self is consciousness witness undivided by a me thought.
      

      May 14 at 12:37am ·
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      Santthosh Kumaar
      

      The true self is undivided by experience not by thought, because the experience is prior to thought. Without the waking experience there is neither the thinker nor thought. To overcome the duality one has to drop the all the three states mentally sticking to the witness of the three states. Me thought is limited to physicality and physicality is reality within the waking experience. And it is impossible to get rid of the thought without understanding what is mind?.

      
      

      May 14 at 9:15am ·
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      Trevor Lightbown
      

      What experience can be prior to thought? Is there a thinker at all? Who is it that has to overcome duality. Who is doing the dropping of all three states if not a seeker or person of thought. Maybe our words have different meaning. Pleas...See More

      
      

      May 14 at 5:37pm ·
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      Santthosh Kumaar
      

      Thought and thinker are reality within the mind, which is in the form of universe. The Universe appears as waking or dream experience. Within the waking experience waking entity gets thoughts. Within the dream, the dream entity gets thoug...See More

      
      

      May 14 at 6:35pm · · 1 person
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      Santthosh Kumaar There are more than thousand bogs on this subject--@-http://sunthosh/-formlesspath.blogspot.com
      

      May 14 at 6:37pm ·
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      Trevor Lightbown Yes wel I agree with everything you say on that. But you mention a waking entity and a dream entity. What is this?
      

      May 14 at 11:58pm ·
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      Santthosh Kumaar Waking entity is your present identity as Trevor within the waking experience . if you were Alexander the great in the dream that is dream entity within the dream.
      

      May 15 at 5:29pm ·