Ultimate truth is based on the soul therefore whatever practiced on the base waking entity will not yield any fruit, because the waking entity is the false self within the false experience.

 One should not  try to judge  ultimate truth holding religious or yogic doctrine as a yardstick.  Religion and yoga is not the yardstick to judge the ultimate truth   because they are practiced on the base of waking entity or physical self or ego.   The waking entity or physical self or ego is false self within the false experience (waking).    The non-dual truth has to be viewed and judged without scriptures, and on the base of the soul, the innermost self.  This formless path is inner path is without the religion or scriptures or god or yoga. The formless path is pathless path is without guru and self – treading towards direct realization.

Ultimate truth is based on the soul therefore whatever practiced on the base waking entity will not yield any fruit,   because the waking entity is the false self within the false experience. The religion and yoga are based on the form therefore they are   based on the matter (form) whereas the spirituality is based on the spirit (formless).  Thus religion and yoga are not spirituality, hence there is need to bifurcate spirituality from matter (form) based religion and yoga.

Advaita refers to non- duality. Non -duality is not a theory or concept it is the nurture of the innermost self, which Atman (soul or spirit or consciousness).  Thus whatever is based on the soul is spiritual. The soul is eternal identity which has no birth, life and death, because it is the formless.  Soul, which is in the form of consciousness, is the formless substance and witness of the illusory experience of birth, life, death and world.

The religion is based on the form. Without the form there is no question of religion. The religion accepts the concept of god, and believes the body itself as self, and injects theoretical code of conduct to live in the world, whereas in spirituality, the soul or consciousness is the true self and body, ego, world, conceptual god are part of the illusion created out of consciousness. 

Swami Vivekananda:-

Creeds and sects have their parts to play, but they are for children, they last but temporarily. Books never make religions, but religions make books. We must never forget that. No book ever created God, but God inspired all the great books. And no book ever created a soul. We must never forget that. (Talk given at Unity Hall, Hartford (Connecticut), USA, on March 8, 1895, as reported in "Hartford Times" (March 11, 1895). Complete Works, 1.324.)

Non-dualistic orthodoxy is based on the form. Thus it is conduct oriented and trying to prove the truth on the base of scriptural authorities, whereas the ultimate truth is based on the soul, the innermost self.  Ultimate truth has to be proved on the base of soul-centric reasoning without the scriptures.

Orthodoxy holds the caste, religious rites, god and guru glorification, scriptural studies, virtues, good deeds and physical conducts as the means to acquire the self-knowledge, whereas in pursuit of truth, only intense urge to know the truth, receptive mind, sharpness to grasp, courage to accept the truth and reject the untruth are necessary.

The guru is needed in only in religion and yoga.  In pursuit of truth there is no need for the guru. Gnani will never accept himself as guru nor does he claim himself as a Gnani.   One who accepts himself as guru does not know the truth. When one inquires in to the nature of the mind or universe    than the truth will start revealing on its own.

That is why Swami Vivekananda said: - “You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher but your own soul.”

The religion, concept of god and scriptures are greatest obstacle to acquire self-knowledge.  The scriptural knowledge fuels the ego. And ego makes one experience the duality as reality.  Duality makes one blind to the truth, and makes one accept, the egocentric theories based on the false self as authority. 

Buddha said:-

Do not believe a spiritual teaching just because:-

1.      It is repeatedly recited,
2. It is written in a scripture,
3. It was handed from guru to disciple,
4. Everyone around you believes it,
5. It has supernatural qualities,
6. It fits my beliefs anyway,
7. It sounds rational to me,
8. It is taught by a respectable person,
9. It was said to be the truth by the teacher,
10. One must defend it or fight for it.

However, only when it agrees with your experience and reason, and when it is conducive to the good and gain of oneself and all others, then one should accept the teachings, and live up to them." ....Buddha.

Gaudapada says that:- The merciful Veda teaches karma and Upasana to people of lower and middling intellect, while Jnana is taught to those of higher intellect.

This clearly indicates that religion, which is based on individual conduct, prescribes karma and Upaasana to people of lower and middling intellect, therefore religion is for the lower intellect. And wisdom is for those are capable of inquiring into their own existence.  

Brahman is considered the all-pervading consciousness which is the basis of all the animate and inanimate entities and material. (brahmano hi pratisthaham, Bhagavad Gita 14.27)

If Brahman is considered the all-pervading consciousness then, it is necessary to realize, the consciousness as self, which pervades all the three states to realize the fact that there is no second thing exists other the consciousness. Thus, consciousness [Atman] is ultimate truth [Brahman]. 

 

As indicated in ISH Upanishads: - By worshipping gods and goddesses you will go after death to the world of gods and goddesses. But will that help you? The time you spend there is wasted, because if you were not there you could have spent that time moving forward towards Self-knowledge, which is your goal. In the world of gods and goddesses you cannot do that, and thus you go deeper and deeper into darkness.

It clearly indicates that:-If the human goal is to acquire Self-Knowledge then why one has to indulge in rituals and glorifying the conceptual gods and goddesses to go in to deeper darkness. Instead   spend that time moving forward towards Self-knowledge, which is one’s prime goal.   

Since it is eternal and infinite, it comprises the only truth. The goal of Vedic religion, through the various yogas, is to realize that the consciousness (Atman) is actually nothing but Brahman.

 The Vedic pantheon of gods is said, in the Vedas and Upanishads, to be only higher manifestations of Brahman. For this reason, "ekam sat" (all is one), and all is Brahman.

Thus, the goal is to realize Atman [consciousness].  If Atman [consciousness] is nothing but Brahman and by realizing Atman [consciousness] as Brahman [ultimate truth] is truth realization or Self-Realization , then there is no need to follow religion, study scripters or glorifying gods and gurus and  follow the path of doubts and confusion by losing oneself in the labyrinths of philosophy, when there is an easier path.  By mentally tracing the source of the mind from where it rises and subsides one becomes aware of the fallacy of the mind, which rises as waking or dream and subsides as deep sleep.  The mind raises form consciousness and subsides as consciousness.

They alone in this world are endowed with the highest wisdom who are firm in their conviction of the sameness and birthlessness of Ataman. The ordinary man does not understand their way. [Chapter IV — Alatasanti Prakarana 95-P-188 in Upanishads by Nikilanada]

Therefore, if one is seeking truth he has to know his true self is not physical but is the consciousness, which is in the form of consciousness.  

Self-knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana  cannot be attained by study of the Vedas and intellectual understanding or by bookish knowledge.  Therefore there is no use of studying the Vedas and other scriptures in order to acquire the non-dual wisdom.  That is why Buddha rejected the scriptures, and even Sri, Sankara indicated that, the ultimate truth lies beyond religion, concept of god and scriptures. 

Thus it is necessary to follow the inner(mental)  path dropping all the accumulated baggage and move forward to reach the destination in lesser time and effort.   

Void or emptiness or nothingness is the nature of the soul consciousness , the innermost self.

Q: The term "void" is used in certain scriptures. I’d like to know your thoughts on it ultimately, rather than mid-way - i.e. do you see all things being resolved back into Atman, or does the world of form, in a sense, constitute the Atman or soul  I think the psychology is helpful to go beyond duality?

Ans: All these confusion are bound to exist on the base of ‘I’ as self.  However, when one becomes aware of the fact that, ‘I’ is not the self but self is  the 'Soul, or consciousness , the innermost self, and he is able to view and judge on the base of Soul, or consciousness the innermost self, then he  also become aware of the fact that nothing is exiting [duality], nothing ever existed.  But to come to this understanding, it takes time, because one has to do lots of home work. One has to unlearn whatever he has learnt and accumulated on the base of ‘I’.  

Soul (Consciousness) is unconscious of its formless non-dual true nature in waking or dream (duality or illusion).   In Self-Awareness the Soul, the innermost self is aware of its own formless non-dual nature.  In self-awareness, the three states are one is essence.  Awareness is the nature of the soul.  The formless soul (consciousness) can remain with or without the physical awareness (mind or waking or dream).  In deep sleep it remains without the mind or  waking or dream.  The one which is aware of the waking or dream and one which is unaware of the waking or dream is not the waking entity (ego) but the soul, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states.

 We have to mentally grasp the existence of the formless witness of the three states, than it becomes very easy to grasp the fact that our body and our experience of world are one is essence and that essence is consciousness, our innermost self.  

On the base of ‘I’  the universe  is reality. But on the base of' the Soul, or consciousness , the innermost self,  nothing exist other itself.  To the formless non-dual true nature of' Soul, or consciousness , the innermost self,   they called it void or nothingness or emptiness. But that Void or  emptiness or nothingness is the nature of the soul  consciousness , the innermost self.  void or  emptiness or nothingness means soul , the innermost self. 

 Only when one who view and judges on the base of ‘I’, he feels it is void or emptiness or  or nothingness. But for one who has learns to view and judge the worldview on the base of  the Soul, or consciousness the innermost self than  everything is consciousness, and nothing exits other then consciousness.  Since there is no second thing other then consciousness. consciousness alone prevails; when the seeking mind negates the world of forms [waking/dream] one cannot say it is void or empty or nothingness.

Until the self identifies with the flesh and blood, and material world, it is caught up in psychological apparatus, and believes the duality as reality. The truth is beyond psychology.

Until one considers ‘I’ itself as self, he cannot go beyond psychology, because psychology is based on ‘I’ as self.  Thus one has to understand the psychology is limited to the physical apparatus, it cannot go beyond the physicality.  

Nothing is exiting , nothing ever existed

SD.

 Q: The term "void" is used in certain scriptures. I’d like to know your thoughts on it ultimately, rather than mid-way - i.e. do you see all things being resolved back into Atman, or does the world of form, in a sense, constitute the Atman or brahman ? I think the psychology is helpful to go beyond duality?

Ans:- All these confusion are bound to exist on the base of ‘waking entity or ego’ as self.  However, when one becomes aware of the fact that, ‘waking entity or ego ’ is not the self but the formless soul or consciousness  is the innermost  self, and he is able to view and judge on the base of soul, then he also become aware of the fact that,  nothing is exiting , nothing ever existed.  But to come to this understanding, it takes time, because one has to do lots of home work to mentally  burn unnecessary accumulated  dross.

Through deeper self-search one has to eradicate the foundational ignorance, Self -Knowledge  or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana alone is the means to the attainment of liberation from illusion. Only Self -Knowledge or Brahma Gnana or Atma Gnana destroys the ignorance.

WHAT IS ‘I’?

The ‘I’ disappears as deep sleep, so what is the use of being attached to it? It is impermanent and illusory.

There is really no ‘I’ which in the form of mind. And mind is in the form of universe. And universe   appears as waking or dream. The ‘I’ or mind or universe or waking or dream dies disappears as deep sleep.  Thus one that appears as ‘I’ or mind or universe or waking or dream is consciousness and it disappears as deep sleep is also consciousness.  In deep sleep it is in its formless non dual true nature.  The one, which witnesses the coming and going of the three states, is also consciousness.   Thus the witness and witnessed are one in essence.    

Thus the    universe is reality on the base of individuality and universe is unreal on the base of the consciousness, which is the innermost self. The seeker gradually will grasp and realize the unreal nature of the universe or mind. Individuality is illusory because the self is not an individual because self is formless and it pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states. .

Dualist’ sages have written big volumes about the soul. Yet they are quite ignorant of the fact that the ‘I’ about which they write itself comes and goes and has no permanent existence, is only an idea after all.

 One has to unlearn whatever he has learnt and accumulated on the base of ‘I’. 

Until the self identifies with the flesh and blood, and material world, it is caught up in psychological apparatus, and believes the duality as reality. The truth is beyond psychology.

Until one considers ‘I’ itself as self, he cannot go beyond psychology, because psychology is based on ‘I’ as self.  Thus one has to understand the psychology is limited to the physical apparatus, it cannot go beyond the physicality.  

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Bini P Varikattumalil

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    Melepurath Radhakrishnan if you have the steel and stamina you can proceed and have more comforts and happiness

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    Bini P Varikattumalil May be....more comforts.. But what surety?? Thank you.

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    Santthosh Kumaar

    Man and his experience of pain and pleasure and the world are created out of single stuff. That single stuff is Atman ,which is present in the form of consciousness. Atman is the innermost self . Realizing Atman as self, frees one from experiencing the illusory universe ,which is present in the form of waking experience as reality. Thus it is necessary to realize Atman as self in order to realize the form,time and space(present life) is mere illusion. Atman(consciousness) is Brahman(ultimate truth). The dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly the waking becomes unreal when wisdom dawns. Wisdom dawns when waking entity becomes aware of the fact that, it itself is not the self, in the midst of waking experience.

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    Divine Love Daniel ‎+++ '' BHAGAVAD -- GITA ,, (18 . 66 ''' OM OM OMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Emarson Vp but those who find comfortable in uncomfortable way 're mukkandar ka sikkendar!!!gd mng Bini P Varikattumalil

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    Santthosh Kumaar

    People think love is the means to Self-Realization but they are unaware of the fact that, love and hate are made of the same stuff. Love is not the means of Self –Realization. Love is very much necessary in practical life within the practical world. Love implies duality. Whatever is of duality is falsehood. Thus love is reality within the falsehood. Lover and love ceases to exist in reality because the experience of duality is not reality. The experience of practical life within practical world is reality within the waking experience but waking experience itself is mere illusion created out of consciousness. Thus lover and love are one in essence. Thus path of love is religious path because religion is path of individuality or duality.
    The humanism is limited to practical life within the practical world. The path of love is path for humanity therefore, it is individualized path. Thus path of love is limited to the physical structure, it cannot transport one to ultimate end. Thus seeker has to understand the fact that the practical life and practical world are part of the mirage from the ultimate standpoint.
    Meher Baba said: - To love God as he ought to be loved, we must love for God and die for god, knowing that the goal of life is to know God, and find him as our own self.
    
    To realize God is to attain liberation from the bondage of illusion.
    
    Live only to find and realize your true identity with your beloved God.
    
    The energy which is expended in mere thinking, taking or writing is like steam which escapes through the whistle of railway engine …
    
    That is why the sages have always insisted on practice rather than theory. This applies particularly to those who want to know and realize God.
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    -----It means one has to one has to know and realize his inner most self is God and identify it as his true identity to find liberation from the bondage of the illusion of birth, life, death and world[duality]. The goal of our life is to find and realize our identity with our beloved God, which is our innermost self.

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All the three states has to be deeply analyzed in order to unfold the mystery of the mind or universe.

In deep sleep  self is unaware of  neither the waking nor the the dream.  In waking   the waking entity is aware of the waking world. Similarly in dream the dream entity is aware of the dream world. But that one which is aware of the coming and going of the three states is neiter the waking entity nor the dream entity but it is the formless soul or consciousness,  the innermost self.

The waking entity is unaware of the existence of the formless witness ,which witness the coming and going of the the dual(waking or dream)  and non-dual(deep sleep)  experiences . All the three states has to be deeply analyzed  in order to unfold the mystery of the mind or universe.

Duality  is present only in waking and dream, and non duality in deep sleep . We associate all the three states limited only to the waking entity or ego  within the waking experience. This is the cause of the ignorance. We are ignorant about the existence of the formless witness of the three states, which witnesses the three states without the physical apparatus.

Deeper self-search  reveals the fact that, the self is  neither the waking entity , nor the dream entity, therefore  the three states are not  experience of the waking entity,  which is the false self within the false experience . The waking entity and waking world are present  only in waking experience.  And the dream entity, and dream world are present in the dream, and in deep sleep there is neither the waking experience nor the dream. 

Therefore, it is necessary to verify the facts about the formless witness  which is aware of the three states without any break. There has to be the one witness, which witnesses, the three states, and is fully aware of these three states, which appear and disappear in succession.

 The waking entity and the waking world are absent in the dream, likewise the dream entity and dream world are absent in waking. And waking and dream experiences are absent in deep sleep.  Therefore we have to hold all these as mere experiences, which comes and go, like the train comes to the station and goes. The formless witness is like station and it is unaffected by the coming and going of the experiences. 

From this we can come to conclusion our experiences (three states) are like a motion picture and the witness (soul) is like a screen. The screen is unaffected by whatever is projected on it.  The screen, that gives power for these experiences.  Without the screen, there is no experience of any sort. The experiences are insentient, but the screen is sentient.   The screen can remain with or without the experience, but the experience is dependent on the screen for their existence.

Until waking entity thinks all the three states is experience as its  own experience, it e is bound to remain in ignorance.  From the spiritual point of view, the level of one's spiritual maturity determines how one sees 'three states  ' whether as form(I)or formless (I –less). 

if  one sees the worldview on the base of form, than  the physical body and the world, seems to be real, and the duality is experienced as reality. But if  one is able to view it on the base of formless self (soul ) one becomes aware of the fact that the whole experience of diversity is nothing but Ataman, because there is no second thing exist other then Ataman.  Thus the duality is mere mirage on the base of formless self.

The formless soul  is always formless, for some, formless soul  is form (God) and for others soul  is formless! soul  is above all attributes and the spiritually speaking, God is the intellectual perception of soul , and formless soul, the innermost  self is beyond the human perception!