Thursday, July 14, 2011

Adyathmic Discussion -24

More words & more experiences; that’s the general direction of mind; mind hardly stops; in the very act of stopping; the process of information gathering is arrested; in this; is the revelation! (To be Contn;)
July 5 at 4:56pm · ·



    • Santosh Kunte The job of a master is to stop the moving mind and bring it to stillness; not the stillness fabricated by mind but that which has remained absolutely immaculate; here; there is fulfillment beyond description or conditions; to come to this virgin place, is monumental task, & yet it’s absolutely effortless, for the one, who has come to existential edge.
      July 5 at 4:56pm · · 3 people

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      The mind itself is an experience. The mind is in the form of universe appears as waking or dream and disappears as deep sleep. Dream is an experience. Similarly the waking also is an experience. The dream becomes unreal when waking takes place. Similarly the waking becomes unreal when wisdom dawns. The wisdom dawns when one becomes aware of the fact that, the self is neither the waking entity nor the dream entity, but it is the formless substance and witness of the three states. That formless substance and witness is consciousness,which is the innermost self. On the standpoint of the inner most self , the three states are mere illusion created out of consciousness. There is no second thing exist because the whole universe is created out of consciousness. Consciousness alone is real and eternal and ultimate truth or Brahman.

      July 5 at 7:28pm · · 1 person

    • Mahesh Aswaney Hello Santthosh whats the proof that there is nothing beyond pl dont quote scriptures here or regression ad infinitum just give me a straight forward answer this is another mind game to escape from the fear of mortality and is a mere rationalisation
      July 6 at 9:02pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      Dear Maheshji, there is no need of scriptures in pursuit of truth. rational attitude is very much needed in pursuit of truth. I quote scriptures because scriptures itself declare that the truth lies beyond scriptural knowledge. The truth is hidden within the mind but it is beyond the mind. It cannot be described in one or two words but it takes deeper self-search to understand assimilate and realize it. And one cannot realize it by mere argument based on the ego ,which is false self. The mind, which is in the form of universe, is unreal because it is the "Seen", like a dream. The reality and existence of the soul, which is in the form of consciousness, the most fundamental substance of the mind, which is in the form of universe, cannot be questioned, for this truth is self-evident. The consciousness is the true self. In fact, the self does not need any proof.

      The self is self-evident, and no one can deny its existence for it is the basis of all the three states. Everyone is conscious of the existence of his self and never thinks that it is in the form of consciousness.

      To doubt the existence of the self would be a contradiction in terms because then one would doubt the existence of the very doubter who engages in doubt. The existence of the doubter itself is based on the consciousness. Thus he has to find the reality of his own existence.

      Without the existence of the self, which is in the form of consciousness it is impossible for us to entertain the idea or even to be capable of refutation. Because the knowledge of the self is not established through the so-called means of right knowledge, it is self-established.

      Thus, the very existence of understanding and its functions presuppose the intelligence known as the self, that is self-established, different from these functions and on which they depend.

      Both the possibility of knowledge and the means of knowledge have relevance if there would be the self that is the source of all knowledge. Therefore, consciousness, which is the true self, is beyond all doubt, "for it is the essential nature of him who denies it. Therefore, it is the nature of the self, not its reality or existence, which is to be proved. The self must seek itself in order to find what it is, not that it is.

      Consciousness pervades all the three states as their formless substance and witness. It is formless without any parts, without qualities, spotless, having no abilities like going and coming, etc., devoid of ideas of `me' and `mine' and also of desire, aversion and effort.

      It possessing no organs like the intellect, etc., free from attributes. It is neither the breath nor the breather. It is untouched by the individual experiences of birth, life and death, which happens within the universe. The self, pervades all the three states. It is within the three states and it is the apart from the three states. It is apart because it is not and entity of identity within the three states.

      Consciousness is the deathless, birthless, eternal and real substance in all the three states. It is the unchanging reality behind the changing mind, which is in the form of universe. It is pure consciousness and it not affected by time, space and causality. It is limitless and without a second. In order to understand the true nature of consciousness one must discriminate the formless witness from three states. thus to realize the true existence one has to first become fully aware of the fact that the mind is not within the body but body and the experience of the world are within the mind. than only it is possible to grasp and realize what is beyond form, time and space. --please read blogs , you will find answers for all your doubts.
      http://sunthosh-formlesspa​th.blogspot.com/

      July 7 at 9:21am · · 1 person

    • Santosh Kunte
      Even after the revelation of it; mind comes back due to residues and still searches it as object of perception but do what one can; it can not be objectified.


      In the subject-object duality and usage of language as means of communication ; r...See More

      July 7 at 10:02am · · 1 person

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      The object is mere mirage created out of the formless subject,which is consciousness. the three states are an object to the formless subject. in reality there is no subject and object because both are one in essence. until one is ignorant o...See More

      July 7 at 11:38am · · 2 people

    • Mahesh Aswaney
      Hello Santthosh ,agreed the duality is a mirage ,that it is a projection on the reality i.e conciousness and that it is a self fulfilling prophecy but to reduce everything to conciousness because all three states are reducible to it is very...See More

      July 7 at 7:32pm ·

    • Santosh Kunte
      Maheshbhai; very valid; the conciousness is witness to all three states is not enough to show, it is the absolute. It all are mere words; however words points to absolute but absolute itself, can not be formulated.


      As regards life remainin...See More

      July 7 at 8:15pm · · 1 person

    • Mahesh Aswaney Santosh bhai today you have something which is a picaso of spiritualism beyond a point keep the canvass open
      July 7 at 11:54pm ·

    • Mahesh Aswaney
      the things like comnciousness is god has picked up lot of quarrel with the western thinkers ,where as the supreme whatever is something indescribable so thats why buddha said dont ask me what it is because it is a chasm which is beyond and the mind wants to be a phantom of conciousness did u see the god realized ones who are still not there so much ore egoistic so gita in chapter 2 best describes it is witness but doesnt describe it like the modern art

      July 8 at 12:03am ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      When the witness[soul or consciousness] and witnessed[three states] are one in essence , there is no second-thing exists other than consciousness. The self is within the three states but it is without the three states. It is within the th...See More

      July 8 at 7:59am ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar
      We exist within the illusion. thus our burden and bondage ,pain and pleasure are reality within the illusion ,which is in the form of waking experience. The consciousness [soul] is the true self. The true self is the source of the three st...See More

      July 8 at 8:17am ·

    • Mahesh Aswaney
      Santthosh thanks for that very persistent and brilliant explanation but may i pl request you to addres the following issue with more clarity:.Your example that doubter and doubting ,doubted triology dissolving into substratum is again ratio...See More

      July 8 at 1:15pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Dear Maheshji, I just posted a blog - Our individual life is nothing to do with ultimate truth or Brahman @--http://sunthosh/-formlesspath.blogspot.com​-- you will find detailed explanation for your doubts.
      July 8 at 6:13pm · · 1 person

    • Mahesh Aswaney Thanks i find you are a beautiful soul or perhaps you are the soul.......
      July 8 at 9:27pm ·

    • Santthosh Kumaar Thank you for your kind words. We are many in ignorance but well all are in reality.
      July 8 at 10:21pm ·