Thursday, November 3, 2011

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  • When Sri, Sankara says: world is unreal. He never said body is unreal. He would have said only birth and death is unreal but he did not say that, he said the world is unreal. He meant the world including the body, because the body and world appear together and disappear together [waking/dream]. Then we have to think, what remain without the body and the world as reality. How can the birth, life, death, rebirth, and reincarnation, which take place in unreal world [waking/dream], can be true. The one, which is aware of the birth, life death, rebirth and reincarnation [illusion/unreal], is formless reality, which is the true self/true identity. The formless self is your true identity, which is birthless and deathless but it is the witness of the birth, life and death and rebirth [illusion/unreal].

    On the standpoint of identity the birth, life, death, rebirth and reincarnation theory is part of the illusion/unreal. The body cannot reincarnate, the body and the world are created out of the same formless stuff. Until one views and judges on the base of flesh, bone and blood [five elements], he will not be able to grasp the nondual truth.

    Thus, one must know on what standpoint we are not born and we do not die thoroughly, just by hearsay views, it will not lead anyone to the nondual destination.
    Seeker has to learn to view and judge on the standpoint of formless witness [ FW]/soul/self. Then he will be never having any confusion. When one thinks deeply then only the inner revelation starts and start burning the dross [confusion/doubts]. One has enough material stored in one’s subconscious by reading this massages in FP blogs; all will start yielding fruits and start revealing, when he starts thinking very deeply. This is the inner process every serious seeker experiences. The inner dialogue will start and one will start getting answers from inner core of his existence.
     ·  ·  · Yesterday at 11:48am near Dharwad
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      • Gary Dempster in the absence of fantasy about what this world is, what remains is utterly gratifying and real, and then one can see that nothing of value is lost.
        Yesterday at 11:58am ·  ·  2
  • Seeker of truth should not to become attached to words as being in perfect conformity with meaning, because Truth is not in the letters. When a man with his finger-tip points to something, the finger-tip may be mistaken for the thing pointed at; in like manner the ignorant, are unable even to the day of their death to abandon the idea that in the finger-tip of words there is the meaning itself. They cannot realise Ultimate Reality because of their intent clinging to words which were intended to be no more than a pointing finger. Words and their discrimination bind one to the duality or birth, life and death; meaning stands alone and is a guide to nondual freedom. Meaning is attained by much learning, and much learning is attained by becoming conversant with meaning and not with words; therefore, seekers of truth have to avoid the sticklers for particular words."

    Consciousness without division is Ultimate Reality defies all description or characterization." "All characterizations of consciousness, in short, are intended in their experiential dimension to aid those who are searching for ultimate truth or reality but have not yet realized it."

    "Human language has its source in phenomenal experience; hence, it is limited in its application to states of being that are beyond that experience; logic is grounded in the duality as it relates to the phenomenal order; hence, it is unable to affirm, without at the same time denying, what extends beyond that order." Whatever is expressed is ultimately non-Brahman, is ultimately untrue."

    When the practical life within the practical world are part of the illusion ,than the karma theory based on the false self within the false experience is bound to be false hood. The karma theory and individual conduct are nothing to do with self, which is ever formless.

    Panchadashi: - The Atman is the witness-consciousness that experiences the action, the actor, and the world of separate things. It is like a light that illuminates everything in a theatre, revealing the master of ceremonies, the guests, and the dancers with complete impartiality. Even when they all depart, the light shines to reveal their absence.

    The karma theory is meant for those who are immersed in worldly life thinking the individual life within the particle world as reality. In path of truth the karma theory becomes a great obstacle in realizing the truth.

    The reincarnation is based on the karma theory. The karma theory is based on the birth, life and death. The birth, life and death are reality only on the base of the false self. Thus whatever based on the false self is bound to be false hood. By accepting karma theory is accepting the falsehood as reality. Thus whatever is based on the birth identity will not yield any truth. If one accepts the karma theory then it is impossible to treat the world as illusion. All the pundits’ explanation of karma theory carries no weight on realm of truth from the ultimate standpoint.
     ·  ·  · Yesterday at 10:40am near Dharwad
  • Mind is not experiencer. Mind is an experience. Man and his experience of the world are within the waking experience. Same way as the dream man and dream world are experience within the dream experience. The dream appears as a whole, similarly waking also appears as a whole. The whole dream witnessed without the physical apparatus. Similarly the waking also is witnessed without the physical apparatus. The witness of the waking or dream is neither the waking entity nor dream entity because the dream entity was within the dream and waking entity is within the waking experience. Thus one which is aware of the coming and going of the waking or dream as a whole is formless consciousness ,which is the innermost self. And the innermost self is within the three states as their formless substance, and it is apart from the three states as their formless witness. It is apart from the the three states because it is not an entity or identity within the waking or dream. This has to be grasped mentally in order to have a mental yardstick 'what is truth' and ' what is untruth'.

    Mind appears as waking or dream [duality] and disappears as deep sleep [non-duality]. Man and his world are within the waking or dream. The waking experience is parallel dream. And dream is parallel waking experience. Thus trying to experience the truth as an individual is total impossibility. Thus the people who are trying to experience the self as in individual are in hallucination because self is not an individual it is universal. the mind is matter . if mind is matter than the whole universe is matter . If the universe is matter than the waking also is matter. The matter[universe] and spirit[consciousness] are one in essence because matter is mere mirage created out of spirit or consciousness.

    Self which is consciousness pervades in everything and everywhere in all the three states[matter] .

    People who are expounding knowledge that self can be experienced as an individual are playing with the feelings and sentiments of the people and make them hallucinate and keep them permanently in the grip of hallucination. The non- dualistic truth has to be mentally traced and grasped, understood assimilated and realized by deeper self-search because it is hidden within the three states but it is beyond the three states.
     ·  ·  · Yesterday at 10:33am near Dharwad