Thursday, May 13, 2010

Osho called JK modern Ashtavakra.




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Osho called JK modern Ashtavakra in his book Enlightenment: The Only Revolution: Discourses on the Great Mystic Ashtavakra.


The Ashtavakra Gita makes one think in different way and different understanding.



The Ashtavakra Gita
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Once upon a time there was a student of the scriptures.
He would work hard all day every day and then read aloud the holy
language of sacred verses late into the night. His wife, round of belly with
their coming child, would sit beside him in the dim room, listening as her
weary beloved chanted the ancient words.

One late night in her eighth month a voice from inside her belly said to the
father: "Sir, please be attentive- you are mispronouncing that verse." Tired
and short-tempered, without thinking why he would feel so enraged at being
corrected by an unborn child, the father cursed the voice- and because the
father had built up merit, his curse took hold: the child was born deformed,
with eight crooks in his body. That child was called Ashtavakra, a name which
means `eight bends'. Everyone who saw him laughed in derision.

That crippled child was an enlightened master who took birth in this family to
reveal in simple words the essence of mystical experience. Janaka, king of the
known world, father of the bride of God, Sita, daughter of the earth, that
very King Janaka became this crippled boy's disciple. The book based on that
event is called The Song of the Eightfold Cripple, or Ashtavakra Gita.

Asthavakra was not keen on accepting students, and so had few. When King
Janaka came to hear of the wisdom of the crippled child he approached the boy
as a humble student, not a commanding king. The boy accepted the king
instantly as his disciple. This caused some talk in the sangham. ~Ah,
Ashtavakra does have favorites after all, he accepted the king without any of
the trials he had all of us face!~ This grumbling became a quiet force, and
Ashtavakra knew of it.

One day the King was late and so the boy delayed his discourse. The moment the
king arrived, Ashtavakra spoke: `This day I have had a vision, the capitol
city will erupt in terrible fires and earthquakes- all there will die. Those
who have loved ones or valuables there must hurry now if they wish to save
anything!'

All the monks left. As the dust settled, only the boy and the king were
sitting. The boy said softly, `Great king, is there nothing you would save?`
Janaka replied, ~My lord and my friend, you are my only treasure.~ The cripple
nodded and softly said, ~Well then if I am indeed your treasure, mount your
horse now and go and gather my students back to me, tell them I have been
mistaken, the capitol city is in no danger. Take your horse, and go.~

Rising to do as bidden, the King put his foot into the stirrup, and as he
swung up over the saddle, realization dawned in his mind. He swallowed, looked
about him at this new earth, heard new birds singing for the first time, and
then looked at the cripple at his feet. The two looked at one another, and
then the king left to find the other students.

Once back, the other students grumbled at being sent about here and there on
foolish errands. One or two howeverd did soon understand why the master had
chosen the king as a student in his own way.

This is what was said that day, as all sat about and heard these words of
nectarine wisdom.

Janaka said

How is knowledge to be acquired? How is liberation to be attained?
And how is dispassion to be reached? Tell me this, sir. 1.1

Ashtavakra said

If you are seeking liberation, my dearest one, shun the objects of the senses
like poison. Draught the nectar of tolerance, sincerity, compassion,
contentment and truthfulness. 1.2

You are neither earth, water, fire, air or even ether. For liberation know
yourself as consisting of consciousness, the witness of these five. 1.3

If only you will remain resting in consciousness, seeing yourself as distinct
from the body, then even now you will become happy, peaceful and free from
bonds. 1.4

You do not belong to the brahmin or warrior or any other caste, you are not at
any stage, nor are you anything that the eye can see. You are unattached and
formless, the witness of everything - now be happy. 1.5

Righteousness and unrighteousness, pleasure and pain are purely of the mind
and are no concern of yours. You are neither the doer nor the reaper of the
consequences; you are always free. 1.6

You are the one witness of everything, and are always totally free. The cause
of bondage is that one sees the witness as something other than this. 1.7

Since you have been bitten by that black snake of self-opinion- thinking
foolishly that `I am the doer,', now drink the nectar in the fact that "I am
not the doer", and now be happy. 1.8

Burn down the forest of ignorance with the fire of understanding. Know `I am
the one pure awareness.' With such ashes now be happy, free from distress.
1.9

That in which all this appears is but imagined like the snake in a rope; that
joy, supreme knowledge and awareness is what you are; now be happy. 1.10

If one thinks of oneself as free, one is free, and if one thinks of oneself as
bound, one is bound. Here this saying `Thinking makes it so' is true . 1.11

Your real nature is one perfect, free, and actionless consciousness, the
all-pervading witness - unattached to anything, desireless, at peace. It is
illusion that you seem to be involved in any other matter. 1.12

Meditate on yourself as motionless awareness, free from any dualism, giving up
the mistaken idea that you are just a derivative consciousness; anything
external or internal is false. 1.13

You have long been trapped in the snare of identification with the body. Sever
it with the knife of knowledge that "I am awareness", and be happy, my
dearest. 1.14

You are really unbound and actionless, self-illuminating and spotless already.
The cause of your bondage is that you are still resorting to stilling the
mind. 1.15

All of this is really filled by you and strung out in you, for what you
consist of is pure awareness - so don't be small-minded. 1.16

You are unconditioned and changeless, formless and immovable, unfathomable
awareness, imperturbable- such consciousness is unclinging. 1.17

Recognise that the apparent is unreal, while the unmanifest is abiding.
Through this initiation into truth you will escape falling into unreality
again. 1.18

Just as a mirror exists as part and apart from its reflected images, so the
Supreme Lord exists as part and apart from this body. 1.19

Just as one and the same all-pervading space exists within and without a jar,
so the eternal, everlasting Being exists in the totality of things. 1.20

Janaka said

Truly I am spotless and at peace, the awareness beyond natural causality. All
this time I have been afflicted by delusion. 2.1

As I alone give light to this body, so do I enlighten the world. As a result
the whole world is mine, and, alternatively, nothing is. 2.2

So now abandoning the body and everything else, suddenly somehow my true self
becomes apparent. 2.3

Just as waves, foam and bubbles are not different from water, so all this
which has emanated from oneself, is no other than oneself. 2.4

Just as cloth when examined is found to be just thread, so when all this is
analysed it is found to be no other than oneself. 2.5

Just as the sugar produced from the juice of the sugarcane is permeated with
the same taste, so all this, produced out of me, is completely permeated with
me. 2.6

From ignorance of oneself, the world appears, and by knowledge of oneself it
appears no longer. From ignorance of the rope a snake appears, and by
knowledge of the rope the snake appears no longer.

Shining is my essential nature, and I am nothing over and beyond that. When
the world shines forth, it is simply me that is shining forth. 2.8

All this appears in me, imagined, due to ignorance, just as a snake appears in
the rope, just as the mirage of water in the sunlight, and just as silver in
mother of pearl. 2.9

All this, which has originated out of me, is resolved back into me too, like a
gourd back into soil, a wave into water, and a bracelet into gold. 2.10

How wonderful I am! Glory to me, for whom there is no destruction, remaining
even beyond the destruction of the world from Brahma down to the last blade of
grass. 2.11

How wonderful I am! Glory to me, solitary! Even though with a body, I am
neither going or coming anywhere; I abide forever, filling all that is. 2.12

How wonderful I am! Glory to me! There is no one so clever as me! I have
borne all that is, forever, without even touching it with my body! 2.13

How wonderful I am! Glory to me! I possess nothing at all, and alternatively
possess everything to which speech and mind can refer. 2.14

Knowledge, what is to be known, and the knower - these three do not exist in
reality. I am the spotless reality in which they appear, spotted by ignorance.
2.15

Truly dualism is the root of suffering. There is no other remedy for it than
the realisation that all this that one sees is unreal, and that I am the one
stainless reality, consisting of consciousness. 2.16

I am pure awareness although through ignorance I have imagined myself to have
additional attributes. By continually reflecting like this, my dwelling place
is the Unimagined. 2.17

For me, here is neither bondage nor liberation. The illusion has lost its
basis and ceased. Truly all this exists in me, though ultimately it does not
even exist in me. 2.18

I have recognised that all this and my body are nothing, while my true self is
nothing but pure consciousness- so what can the imagination work on now? 2.19

The body, heaven and hell, bondage and liberation, and fear too, all this is
active imagination. What is there left to do for one whose very nature is
consciousness? 2.20

Truly I do not see dualism even in a crowd of people. What pleasure should I
have when it has turned into a wilderness? 2.21

I am not the body, nor is the body mine. I am not a living being. I am
consciousness. It was my thirst for living that was my bondage. 2.22

Truly it is in the limitless ocean of myself, stimulated by the colourful
waves of the worlds, that everything suddenly arises in the wind of
consciousness. 2.23

It is in the limitless ocean of myself, that the wind of thought subsides; the
trader-like living creatures' world ark is now drydocked by lack of goods.
2.24

How wonderful it is that in the limitless ocean of myself the waves of living
beings arise, collide, play and disappear, according to their natures. 2.25

Ashtavakra said

Knowing yourself as truly one and indestructible, how could a wise man like
you- one possessing self-knowledge- feel any pleasure in acquiring wealth?
3.1

Truly, when one does not know oneself, one takes pleasure in the objects of
mistaken perception, just as greed for its seeming silver arises in one who
does not know mother-of-pearl for what it is. 3.2

All this wells up like waves in the sea. Recognising, I am That, why run
around like someone in need? 3.3

After hearing of oneself as pure consciousness and the supremely beautiful, is
one to go on lusting after sordid sensual objects? 3.4

When the sage has realised that one is oneself is in all beings, and all
beings are in oneself, it is astonishing that the sense of individuality
should be able to continue. 3.5

It is astonishing that a person who has reached the supreme non-dual state and
is intent on the benefits of liberation should still be subject to lust and be
held back by the desire to copulate. 3.6

It is astonishing that one already very debilitated, and knowing very well
that sensual arousal is the enemy of knowledge should still eagerly hanker
after concupiscence, even when approaching one's last days. 3.7

It is astonishing that one who is unattached to the things of this world or
the next, who discriminates between the permanent and the impermanent, and who
longs for liberation, should still feel fear for liberation. 3.8

Whether feted or tormented, the wise person is always aware of the supreme
self-nature and is neither expectant nor disappointed. 3.9

The great souled person sees even one's own body in action as if it were
someone else's, so how then be disturbed by praise or blame? 3.10

Seeing this world as pure illusion, and devoid of any interest in it, how
should the strong-minded person feel fear, even at the approach of death?
3.11

Who is to be compared to the great-souled person whose mind is free of desire,
free of expectation and disappointment, and who has found satisfaction in
self-knowledge? 3.12

How should a strong-minded person who knows that whatever is seen is by its
very nature nothing, how then consider one thing to be grasped and another to
be rejected? 3.13

For someone who has eliminated attachment, and who is free from dualism and
from desire and from repulsion, for such a one an object that comes of itself
is neither painful nor pleasurable. 3.14

Ashtavakra said

Certainly the wise person of self-knowledge, playing the game of worldly life,
bears no resemblance whatever to the world's bewildered beasts of burden. 4.1

Truly the one centered in mystic union feels no excitement even at being
established in that state which all the gods from Indra down yearn for
disconsolately. 4.2

He who has known That is untouched within by good deeds or bad, just as the
sky is not touched by smoke, however much it may appear to be. 4.3

Who can prevent the great-souled person who has known this whole world as
oneself from living as one pleases? 4.4

Of all the four categories of beings, from Brahma down to the dryest clump of
grass, only the person of knowledge is capable of eliminating desire and
aversion. 4.5

Rare is the person who knows oneself as the undivided Lord of the world; no
fear occurs to one who lives the truth. 4.6

Ashtavakra said

You are not bound by anything. What does a pure person like you need to
renounce? Putting the complex organism to rest, you can go to your rest. 5.1

All this arises out of you, like a bubble out of the sea. Knowing yourself
like this to be but one, you can go to your rest. 5.2

In spite of being in front of your eyes, all this, being insubstantial, does
not exist in you, spotless as you are. It is an appearance like the snake in
a rope, so you can go to your rest. 5.3

Equal in pain and in pleasure, equal in hope and in disappointment, equal in
life and in death, and complete as you are, you can go to your rest. 5.4

Ashtavakra said

I am infinite like space, and the natural world is like a jar. To know this is
knowledge, and then there is neither renunciation, acceptance or cessation of
it. 6.1

I am like the ocean, and the multiplicity of objects is comparable to a wave.
To know this is knowledge, and here there is neither renunciation, acceptance
or cessation of it. 6.2

I am like the mother of pearl, and the imagined world is like the silver. To
know this is knowledge, and here there is neither renunciation, acceptance or
cessation of it. 6.3

Alternatively, I am in all beings, and all beings are in me. To know this is
knowledge, and here there is neither renunciation, acceptance or cessation of
it. 6.4

Janaka said

It is in the infinite ocean of myself that the world ark wanders here and
there, driven by its own wind. I am not upset by that. 7.1

Let the world wave of its own nature rise or vanish in the infinite ocean of
myself. There is no increase or diminution to me from it. 7.2

It is in the infinite ocean of myself that the imagination called the world
takes place. I am supremely peaceful and formless, and as such I remain. 7.3

My true nature is not contained in objects, nor does any object exist in it,
for it is infinite and spotless. So it is unattached, desireless and at peace,
and as such I remain. 7.4

Truly I am but pure consciousness, and the world is like a conjuror's show, so
how could I imagine there is anything here to take up or reject ? 7.5

Ashtavakra said

Bondage is when the mind longs for something, grieves about something, rejects
something, holds on to something, is pleased about something or displeased
about something. 8.1

Liberation is when the mind does not long for anything, grieve about anything,
reject anything, or hold on to anything, and is not pleased about anything or
displeased about anything. 8.2

Bondage is when the mind is tangled in one of the senses, and liberation is
when the mind is not tangled in any of the senses. 8.3

When there is no `me', that is liberation, and when there is me there is
bondage. Considering this earnestly, I do not hold on and do not reject. 8.4

Ashtavakra said

Knowing when the dualism of things done and undone has been put to rest, or
the person for whom they occur has been cognized, then you can here and now go
beyond renunciation and obligations by indifference to such things. 9.1

Rare indeed, my dearest, is the lucky person whose observation of the world's
behaviour has led to the extinction of the thirst for living, for pleasure and
for knowledge. 9.2

All this is impermanent and spoilt by the three sorts of pain. Recognising it
to be insubstantial, comtemptible and only fit for indifference, one attains
peace. 9.3

When was that age or time of life when the dualism of extremes did not exist
for people? Abandoning them, a person happy to take whatever comes suddenly
realizes perfection. 9.4

Who does not end up with indifference to such things and attain peace when he
has seen the differences of opinions among the great sages, saints and yogis?
9.5

Is he not a guru who, endowed with dispassion and equanimity, achieves full
knowledge of the nature of consciousness, and so leads others out of samsara?
9.6

If you would just see the transformations of the elements as nothing more than
the elements, then you would immediately be freed from all bonds and
established in your own nature. 9.7

One's inclinations are samsara. Knowing this, abandon them. The renunciation
of them is the renunciation of it. Now you can remain as you are. 9.8

Ashtavakra said

Abandoning desire, the enemy, along with gain, itself so full of loss, and the
good deeds which are the cause of the other two - I practice indifference to
everything. 10.1

I look on such things as friends, land, money, property, wife, and bequests as
nothing but a a dream or a three or five-day conjuror's show. 10.2

Wherever a desire occurs, I see samsara in it. Establishing myself in firm
dispassion, I be free of passion and happy. 10.3

The essential nature of bondage is nothing other than desire, and its
elimination is known as liberation. It is simply by not being attached to
changing things that the everlasting joy of attainment is reached. 10.4

You are one, conscious and pure, while all this is just inert non-being.
Ignorance itself is nothing, so what need have you of desire to understand?
10.5

Kingdoms, children, wives, bodies, pleasures - these have all been lost to you
life after life, attached to them though you were. 10.6

Enough of wealth, sensuality and good deeds. In the forest of samsara the mind
has never found satisfaction in these. 10.7

How many births have you not done hard and painful labour with body, mind and
speech. Now at last stop! 10.8

Ashtavakra said

Unmoved and undistressed, realising now that being, non-being and
transformation are of the very nature of things, one easily finds peace. 11.1

here but the Lord, the Creator of all things, one is no longer attached to
anything. 11.2

Realising that misfortune and fortune come in their turn from fate, one is
contented, one's senses under control, and one does not like or dislike. 11.3

Realising that pleasure and pain, birth and death are from fate, and that
one's desires cannot be achieved, one remains inactive, and even when acting
does not get attached. 11.4

Realising that suffering arises from nothing other than thinking, dropping all
desires one rids oneself of it, and is happy and at peace everywhere. 11.5

Realising `I am not the body, nor is the body mine; I am awareness,' one
attains the supreme state and no longer fritters over things done or undone.
11.6

Realising, `It is just me, from Brahma down to the last blade of grass,' one
becomes free from uncertainty, pure, at peace and unconcerned about what has
been attained or not. 11.7

Realising that all this varied and wonderful world is nothing, one becomes
pure receptivity, free from inclinations, and as if nothing existed, one finds
peace. 11.8

Janaka said

First of all I was averse to physical activity, then to lengthy speech, and
finally to thinking itself, which is why I am now established. 12.1

In the absence of delight in sound and the other senses, and by the fact that
I myself am not an object of the senses, my mind is focused and free from
distraction - which is why I am now established. 12.2

Owing to the distraction of such things as wrong identification, one is driven
to strive for mental stillness. Recognising this pattern I am now established.
12.3

By relinquishing the sense of rejection and acceptance, and with pleasure and
disappointment ceasing today, so Brahmin, I am now established. 12.4

Life in a community, then going beyond such a state, meditation and the
elimination of mind-made objects - by means of these I have seen my error, and
I am now established. 12.5

Just as the performance of actions is due to ignorance, so their abandonment
is too. By fully recognising this truth, I am now established. 12.6

Trying to think the unthinkable is unnatural to thought. Abandoning such a
practice therefore, I am now established. 12.7

He who has achieved this has achieved the goal of life. He who is of such a
nature has done what has to be done. 12.8

Janaka said

The inner freedom of having nothing is hard to achieve, even with just a
loin-cloth, but I live as I please abandoning both renunciation and
acquisition. 13.1

Sometimes one experiences distress because of one's body, sometimes because of
one's tongue, and sometimes because of one's mind. Abandoning all of these in
the goal of being human I live as I please. 13.2

Recognising that in reality no action is ever committed, I live as I please,
just attending what presents itself to be done. 13.3

Mystics who identify themselves with bodies are insistent on fulfilling and
avoiding certain actions, but I live as I please abandoning attachment and
rejection. 13.4

No benefit or loss comes to me by standing, walking or lying down, so
consequently I live as I please whether standing, walking or sleeping. 13.5

I lose nothing by sleeping and gain nothing by effort, so consequently I live
as I please, abandoning loss and success. 13.6

Frequently observing the drawbacks of such things as pleasant objects, I live
as I please, abandoning the pleasant and unpleasant. 13.7

Janaka said

He who by nature is empty-minded, and who thinks of things only
unintentionally, is freed from deliberate remembering, like one awakened from
a dream. 14.1

As my desire has been eliminated, I have no wealth, friends, robbers, senses,
scriptures or knowledge. 14.2

Realising my supreme self-nature in the Person of the Witness, the Lord, and
the state of desirelessness in bondage or liberation, I feel no inclination
for liberation. 14.3

The various states of one who is empty of uncertainty within, and who
outwardly wanders about as he pleases, like a madman, can only be known by
someone in the same condition. 14.4

Ashtavakra said

While a person of pure intelligence may achieve the goal by the most casual of
instructions, another may seek knowledge all one's life and still remain
bewildered. 15.1

Liberation is indifference to the objects of the senses. Bondage is love of
the senses. This is knowledge. Now do as you please. 15.2

This awareness of the truth makes an eloquent, clever and energetic person
dumb, stupid and lazy, so it is avoided by those whose aim is enjoyment or
praise. 15.3

You are not the body, nor is the body yours, nor are you the doer of actions
nor the reaper of their consequences. You are eternally pure consciousness the
witness, in need of nothing - so live happily. 15.4

Desire and anger are objects of the mind, but the mind is not yours, nor ever
has been. You are choiceless awareness itself, unchanging - so live happily.
15.5

Recognising oneself in all beings, and all beings in oneself, be happy, free
from the sense of responsibility and free from preoccupation with me. 15.6

Your nature is the consciousness, in which the whole world wells up, like
waves in the sea. That is what you are, without any doubt, so be free of
disturbance. 15.7

Have faith, my dearest, have faith. Don't let yourself be deluded in this.
You are yourself the Lord, whose property is knowledge- you are beyond natural
causation. 15.8

The body invested with the senses stands still and comes and goes. You
yourself neither come nor go, so why bother about them? 15.9

Let the body last to the end of the Age, or let it come to an end right now.
What have you, who consist of pure consciousness, gained or lost? 15.10

Let the world-wave rise or subside according to its own nature in you, the
great ocean. It is no gain or loss to you. 15.11

My dearest, you consist of pure consciousness, and the world is not separate
from you. So who is to accept or reject it, and how, and why? 15.12

How can there be either birth, karma or responsibility in that one unchanging,
peaceful, unblemished and infinite consciousness which is you? 15.13

Whatever you see, it is you alone manifest in it. How could bracelets, armlets
and anklets be different from the gold? 15.14

Giving up such distinctions as `That is what I am,' and `I am not That',
recognise that Everything is Self, and be, without distinction, and be happy.
15.15

It is through your ignorance that all this exists. In reality you alone exist.
Apart from you there is no one within or beyond samsara. 15.16

Knowing that all this is an illusion, one becomes free of desire, pure
receptivity and at peace, as if nothing existed. 15.17

Only one thing has existed, exists and will exist in the ocean of being. You
have no bondage or liberation. Live happily and fulfilled. 15.18

Being pure consciousness, do not disturb your mind with thoughts of
for/against. Be at peace and remain happily in yourself, the essence of joy.
15.19

Give up meditation completely and cling to nothing in your mind. You are free
in your very nature, so what will you achieve by conceiving? 15.20

Ashtavakra said

My dearest, you may recite or listen to countless scriptures, but you will not
be established within until you can forget everything. 16.1

You may, as a learned man, indulge in wealth, activity and meditation, but
your mind will still long for that which is the cessation of desire, beyond
all goals. 16.2

Everyone is in pain because of their own effort, but no one realises it. By
just this very instruction, the lucky one attains tranquillity. 16.3

Happiness belongs to no one but that supremely lazy person for whom even
opening and closing one's eyes is a bother. 16.4

When the mind is freed from such pairs of opposites as `I have done this,' and
`I have not done that,' it becomes indifferent to merit, wealth, sensuality
and liberation. 16.5

One person is abstemious and is averse to the senses, another is greedy and
attached to them, but he who is free from both taking and rejecting is neither
abstemious nor greedy. 16.6

So long as desire, which is the state of lacking discrimination, remains, the
sense of revulsion and attraction will remain; that is the root and branch of
samsara. 16.7

Desire springs from usage, and aversion from abstension, but the wise person
is free from the pairs of opposites like a child, and becomes established.
16.8

The passionate person wants to be rid of samsara so as to avoid pain, but the
dispassionate person is without pain and feels no distress even in it. 16.9

One who is proud about even liberation or one's own body, and feels them one's
own, is neither a seer or a mystic. Such a person is still just a sufferer.
16.10

If even Shiva, Vishnu or the lotus-born Brahma were your instructor, until you
have forgotten everything you cannot be established within. 16.11

Ashtavakra said

He who is content, with purified senses, and always enjoys solitude, has
gained the fruit of knowledge and the fruit of the practice of union too. 17.1

The knower of truth is never distressed in this world, for the whole round
world is full of himself alone. 17.2

None of the senses please a person who has found satisfaction within, just as
grape leaves do not please the elephant that likes mango leaves. 17.3

The person who is not attached to the things he has enjoyed, and does not
hanker after the things he has not enjoyed, such a person is hard to find. 17.4

Those who desire pleasure and those who desire liberation are both bound in
samsara; the great-souled person who desires neither pleasure nor liberation
is rare indeed. 17.5

It is only the noble minded who is free from attraction or repulsion to
religion, wealth, sensuality, and life and death too. 17.6

Such a one feels no desire for the elimination of all this, nor anger at its
continuing, so the lucky person lives happily with whatever sustenance
presents itself. 17.7

Thus fulfilled through this knowledge, contented, the thinking-mind emptied,
one lives happily just seeing when seeing, just hearing when hearing, just
feeling when feeling, just smelling when smelling and just tasting when
tasting. 17.8

In one for whom the ocean of samsara has dried up, there is neither attachment
or aversion. Such a one's gaze is vacant, behaviour purposeless, and senses
never grappling. 17.9

Surely the supreme state is eveywhere for the liberated mind. Such a one is
neither awake or asleep, and neither opens or closes the eyes. 17.10

The liberated one is resplendent everywhere, free from all desires.
Everywhere such a one appears self-possessed and pure of heart. 17.11

Seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, tasting, speaking and walking about, the
great-souled person who is freed from trying to achieve or avoid anything is
free indeed. 17.12

The liberated person is free from desires everywhere. Such a one neither
blames, praises, rejoices, is disappointed, gives nor takes. 17.13

When a great souled one is unperturbed in mind and self-possessed at either
the sight of a mate eager with desire, or at fast-approaching death, that one
is truly liberated. 17.14

There is no distinction between pleasure and pain, man and woman, success and
failure for the wise person who looks on everything as equal. 17.15

There is no aggression or compassion, no pride or humility, no wonder or
confusion for the person whose days of running about are over. 17.16

The liberated person is not averse to the senses and nor is he attached to
them. He enjoys hinself continually with an unattached mind in both
achievement and non-achievement. 17.17

One established in the absolute state with an empty mind does not know the
alternatives of inner stillness and lack of inner stillness, and of good and
evil. 17.18

Free of me and mine and of a sense of responsibility, aware that nothing
exists, with all desires extinguished within, a person does not act even in
acting. 17.19

One whose thinking mind is dissolved achieves the indescribable state and is
free from the mental display of delusion, dream and ignorance. 17.20

Ashtavakra said

Praise be to that by the awareness of which delusion itself becomes
dream-like, to that which is pure happiness, peace and light. 18.1

One may get all sorts of pleasure by the acquisition of various objects of
enjoyment, but one cannot be happy except by the renunciation of everything.
18.2

How can there be happiness, for one who has been burnt inside by the
blistering sun of the pain of things that need doing, without the rain of the
nectar of peace? 18.3

This existence is just imagination. It is nothing in reality, but there is no
non-being for natures that know how to distinguish being from not being. 18.4

The realm of one's self is not far away, and nor can it be achieved by the
addition of limitations to its nature. It is unimaginable, effortless,
unchanging and spotless. 18.5

By the simple elimination of delusion and the recognition of one's true
nature, those whose vision is unclouded live, free from sorrow. 18.6

Knowing everything as just imagination, and oneself as eternally free, how
should the wise person behave like a fool? 18.7

Knowing oneself to be God and being and non-being just imagination, what
should the person free from desire learn, say or do? 18.8

Considerations like `I am this' or `I am not this' are finished for the mystic
who has gone silent realising `Everything is myself'. 18.9

For the mystic who has found peace, there is no distraction or
one-pointedness, no higher knowledge or ignorance, no pleasure and no pain.
18.10

The dominion of heaven or beggary, gain or loss, life in society or in the
forest, these make no difference to a mystic whose nature is free from
distinctions. 18.11

There is no religion, wealth, sensuality or discrimination for a mystic free
from the pairs of opposites such as `I have done this' and `I have not done
that.' 18.12

There is nothing needing to be done, or any attachment in one's heart for the
mystic liberated while still alive. Things are so for the life-time. 18.13

There is no delusion, world, meditation on That, or liberation for the
pacified great soul. All these things are just the realm of imagination. 18.14

Whoever sees all this may well make out it doesn't exist, but what is the
desireless one to do, eh? Even in seeing, one does not see it. 18.15

He by whom the Supreme Brahman is seen may think `Ah I am Brahma,' but what is
he to think who is without thought, and who sees no duality. 18.16

He by whom inner distraction is seen may put an end to it, but the noble one
is not distracted. When there is nothing to achieve what is he to do? 18.17

The wise man, unlike the worldly man, does not see inner stillness,
distraction or fault, even when living like a worldly man. 18.18

Nothing is done by one who is free from being and non-being, who is contented,
desireless and wise, even if in the world's eyes personal action occurs .
18.19

The wise person who just goes on doing what presents itself for one to do,
encounters no difficulty in either activity or inactivity. 18.20

One who is desireless, self-reliant, independent and free of bonds functions
like a dead leaf blown about by the wind of causality. 18.21

There is neither joy nor sorrow for one who has transcended samsara. With a
peaceful mind one lives as if without a body. 18.22

One whose joy is in oneself, and who is peaceful and pure within has no desire
for renunciation or sense of loss in anything. 18.23

For the person with a naturally empty mind, doing just as one pleases, there
is no such thing as pride or false humility, as there is for the natural man.
18.24

`This action was done by the body but not by me.' The pure-natured person
thinking like this, is not acting even when acting. 18.25

One acts without being able to say why, yett is not thereby a fool, rather is
one liberated while still alive, happy and blessed. Such a one thrives even in
samsara. 18.26

One who has had enough of endless considerations and has attained to peace,
does not think, know, hear or see. 18.27

One who is beyond mental stillness and distraction does not desire either
liberation or its opposite nor their compliments. Recognising that things are
just constructions of the imagination, that great soul lives as God here and
now. 18.28

One who feels responsibility within, acts even when not acting, but there is
no sense of done or undone for the wise person free from the sense of
responsibility. 18.29

The mind of the liberated person is not upset or pleased. It shines, unmoving,
desireless, and free from doubt. 18.30

One whose mind does not set out to meditate or act, meditates and acts without
an object. 18.31

A stupid person is bewildered even when hearing the truth, while even a clever
person is humbled by it, just like the fool. 18.32

The ignorant make a great effort to practise one-pointedness and the stopping
of thought, while the wise see nothing to be done and remain in themselves
like those asleep. 18.33

The stupid does not attain cessation whether he acts or abandons action, while
the wise person finds peace within simply by knowing the truth. 8.34

People cannot come to know themselves by practices - pure awareness, clear,
complete, beyond multiplicity and faultless though they are. 8.35

The stupid does not achieve liberation even through regular practice, but the
fortunate one remains free and actionless simply by discrimination. 18.36

The stupid does not attain Godhead because he wants to be it, while the wise
person enjoys the Supreme Godhead without even wanting it. 18.37

Even when living without any support and eager for achievement, the stupid are
still nourishing Samsara, while the wise have cut at the very root of
unhappiness. 18.38

The stupid does not find peace because he is wanting it, while the wise
discriminates the truth and so is always peaceful-minded. 18.39

How can there be self-knowledge for one whose knowledge depends on what he
sees? The wise do not see this and that, but see themselves as unending. 18.40

How can there be cessation of thought for the misguided who is striving for
it? Yet it is there always naturally for the wise person delighted in oneself.
18.41

Some think that something exists, and others that nothing does. Rare is the
person who does not think either, and is thereby free from distraction. 18.42

Those of weak intelligence think of themselves as pure nonduality, but because
of their delusion they do not know this, and remain unfulfilled all their
lives. 18.43

The mind of the person seeking liberation can find no resting place within,
but the mind of the liberated person is always free from desire by the very
fact of being without a resting place. 18.44

Seeing the tigers of the senses, the frightened refuge-seekers at once enter
the cave in search of cessation of thought and one-pointedness. 18.45

Seeing the desireless lion, the elephants of the senses silently run away, or,
if they cannot flee, stay to serve that king like flatterers. 18.46

The person who is free from doubts and whose mind is free from longing and
repulsion does not bother about means of liberation. Whether seeing, hearing,
feeling smelling or tasting, such a one lives at ease. 18.47

One whose mind is pure and undistracted from the simple hearing of the Truth
sees neither something to do nor something to avoid nor a cause for
indifference. 18.48

The straightforward person does whatever arrives to be done, good or bad, for
such a one's actions are like those of a child. 18.49

By inner freedom one attains happiness, by inner freedom one reaches the
Supreme, by inner freedom one comes to absence of thought, by inner freedom to
the Ultimate State. 18.50

When one sees oneself as neither the doer nor the reaper of the consequences,
then all mind waves come to an end. 18.51

The spontaneous unassumed behaviour of the wise is noteworthy, but not the
deliberate purposeful stillness of the fool. 18.52

The wise who are rid of imagination, unbound and with unfettered awareness may
enjoy themselves in the midst of many goods, or alternatively go off to
mountain caves. 18.53

There is no attachment in the heart of a wise person whether he sees or pays
homage to a learned sage, a celestial being, a holy place, a mate, a king or a
friend. 18.54

A mystic is not in the least put out even when humiliated by the ridicule of
servants, sons, wives, grandchildren or other relatives. 18.55

Even when pleased one is not pleased , not suffering even when in pain. Only
those alike can know the wonderful state of such a person. 18.56

It is the sense of responsibility which is Samsara. The wise who are of the
form of emptiness, formless, unchanging and spotless see no such thing. 18.57

Even when doing nothing the fool is agitated by restlessness, while a skilful
person remains undisturbed even when doing what there is to do. 18.58

Happy one stands, happy one sits, happy sleeps and happy one comes and goes.
Happy one speaks and is silent, and happy one eats and yet fasts. This is the
life of a person at peace. 18.59

One at home in one's very nature feels no unhappiness in one's daily life like
worldly people, remains undisturbed like a great lake, now finds all sorrow
gone. 18.60

Even abstention from action leads to action in a fool, while even the action
of the wise person brings the fruits of inaction. 18.61

A fool often shows aversion towards belongings, but for one whose attachment
to the body has dropped away, there is neither attachment nor aversion. 18.62

The mind of the fool is always caught in thinking or not thinking, but the
wise person's is of the nature of no-thought because that one spontaneously
thinks what should be thought. 18.63

For the seer who behaves like a child, without desire in all actions, for such
a pure one there is no attachment even in the work being done. 18.64

Blessed is one who knows oneself and is the same in all states, with a mind
free from craving whether one is seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling or
tasting. 18.65

There is no person subject to Samsara, sense of individuality, goal or means
to the goal for the wise person who is always free from imagination, and
unchanging as space. 18.66

Glorious is one who has abandoned all goals and is the incarnation of
satisfaction; such a one's nature and inner focus on the Unconditioned is
quite spontaneous. 18.67

In brief, the great-souled person who has come to know the Truth is without
desire for either pleasure or liberation, and is always and everywhere free
from attachment. 18.68

What remains to be done by the person who is pure awareness and has abandoned
everything that can be expressed in words from the highest heaven to the earth
itself? 18.69

The pure person who has experienced the Indescribable attains peace by one's
own nature, realising that all this is nothing but illusion, and that nothing
is. 18.70

There are no rules, dispassion, renunciation or meditation for one who is pure
receptivity by nature, and who admits no knowable form of being. 18.71

For one who shines with the radiance of Infinity and is not subject to natural
causality there is neither bondage, liberation, pleasure nor pain. 18.72

Pure illusion reigns in Samsara which continues until self realisation. The
enlightened person lives in the beauty of freedom from me and mine, from the
sense of responsibility and from any attachment. 18.73

For the seer who knows oneself as imperishable and beyond pain there is
neither knowledge, a world nor the sense that `I am the body' or `the body is
mine.' 18.74

No sooner does a person of low intelligence give up activities like the
elimination of thought than he falls into mental chariot-racing and babble.
18.75

A fool does not get rid of stupidity even on hearing the truth. He may appear
outwardly free from imaginations, but inside he is hankering after the senses
still. 18.76

Though in the eyes of the world he is active, the person who has shed action
through knowledge finds no means of doing or speaking anything. 18.77

For the wise person who is always unchanging and fearless there is neither
darkness nor light nor destruction, nor anything. 18.78

There is neither fortitude, prudence nor courage for the mystic whose nature
is beyond description and free of individuality. 18.79

There is neither heaven nor hell nor even liberation during life. In a word,
in the sight of the seer nothing exists at all. 18.80

One neither longs for possessions nor grieves at their absence. The calm mind
of the sage is full of the nectar of immortality. 18.81

The dispassionate does not praise the good or blame the wicked. Content and
equal in pain and pleasure, one sees nothing that needs doing. 18.82

The wise person does not dislike samsara or seek to know oneself. Free from
pleasure and impatience, one is not dead and one is not alive. 18.83

The wise person stands out by being free from anticipation, without attachment
to such things as children or mates, free from desire for the senses, and not
even concerned about one's own body. 18.84

Peace is everywhere for the wise person who lives on whatever happens to come,
going to wherever one feels like, and sleeping wherever the sun happens to
set. 18.85

Let one's body rise or fall. The great-souled one gives it no thought, having
forgotten all about samsara in coming to rest on the ground of one's true
nature. 18.86

The wise person has the joy of being complete in oneself and without
possessions, acting as one pleases, free from duality and rid of doubts, and
without attachment to any creature. 18.87

The wise person excels in being without the sense of "me". Earth, a stone or
gold are the same to such a one. The knots of the heart have been rent
asunder, and one is freed from greed and blindness. 18.88

Who can compare with that contented, liberated soul who pays no regard to
anything and has no desire left in one's heart? 18.89

Who but the upright person without desire knows without knowing, sees without
seeing and speaks without speaking? 18.90

Beggar or king, one excels who is without desire, and whose opinion of things
is rid of "good" and "bad". 18.91

There is neither dissolute behaviour nor virtue, nor even discrimination of
the truth for the sage who has reached the goal and is the very embodiment of
guileless sincerity. 18.92

That which is experienced within by one desireless and free from pain, and
content to rest in himself - how could it be described, and of whom? 18.93

The wise person who is contented in all circumstances is not asleep even in
deep sleep, not sleeping in a dream, nor waking when he is awake. 18.94

The seer is without thoughts even when thinking, without senses among the
senses, without understanding even in understanding and without a sense of
responsibility even in the ego. 18.95

Neither happy nor unhappy, neither detached nor attached, neither seeking
liberation nor liberated, one is neither something nor nothing. 18.96

Not distracted in distraction, in mental stillness not poised, in stupidity
not stupid, that blessed one is not even wise in one's wisdom. 18.97

The liberated person is self-possessed in all circumstances and free from the
idea of "done" and "still to do." Such a one is the same wherever and
whenever, without greed. Such a one does not dwell on what has been done or
has not been done. 18.98

Such a one is not pleased when praised nor upset when blamed. One is not
afraid of death nor attached to life. 18.99

A person at peace does not run off to popular places or to the forest.
Whatever and wherever, one remains the same. 18.100

Janaka said

Using the tweezers of the knowledge of the truth I have managed to extract the
painful thorn of endless opinions from the recesses of my heart. 19.1

For me, established in my own glory, there is no religion, sensuality,
possessions, philosophy, duality or even non-duality. 19.2

For me established in my own glory, there is no past, future or present. There
is no space or even eternity. 19.3

For me established in my own glory, there is no self or non-self, no good or
evil, no thought or even absence of thought. 19.4

For me established in my own glory, there is no dreaming or deep sleep, no
waking nor other state beyond them, and certainly no fear. 19.5

For me established in my own glory, there is nothing far away and nothing
near, nothing within or without, nothing large and nothing small. 19.6

For me established in my own glory, there is no life or death, no worlds or
things of this world, no distraction and no stillness of mind. 19.7

For me remaining in myself, there is no need for talk of the three goals of
life, of union or of knowledge. 19.8

Janaka said

In my unblemished nature there are no elements, no body, no faculties no mind.
There is no void and no despair. 20.1

For me, free from the sense of dualism, there are no scriptures, no
self-knowledge, no mind free from an object, no satisfaction and no freedom
from desire. 20.2

There is no knowledge or ignorance, no "me", "this" or "mine", no bondage, no
liberation, and no property of self-nature. 20.3

For one who is always free from individual characteristics there is no
antecedent causal action, no liberation during life, and no fulfilment at
death. 20.4

For me, free from individuality, there is no doer and no reaper of the
consequences, no cessation of action, no arising of thought, no immediate
object, and no idea of results. 20.5

There is no world, no seeker for liberation, no mystic, no seer, no-one bound
and no-one liberated. I remain in my own non-dual nature. 20.6

There is no emanation or return, no goal, means, seeker or achievment. I
remain in my own non-dual nature. 20.7

For me who am forever unblemishedf, there is no assessor, no standard, nothing
to assess, or assessment. 20.8

For me who am forever actionless, there is no distraction or one-pointedness
of mind, no lack of understanding, no stupidity, no joy and no sorrow. 20.9

For me who am always free from deliberations there is neither conventional
truth nor absolute truth, no happiness and no suffering. 20.10

For me who am forever pure there is no illusion, no samsara, no attachment or
detachment, no living being and no God. 20.11

For me who am forever unmovable and indivisible, established in myself, there
is no activity or inactivity, no liberation and no bondage. 20.12

For me who am blessed and without limitation, there is no initiation or
scripture, no disciple or teacher, and no goal of human life. 20.13

There is no being or non-being, no unity or dualism. What more is there to
say? Nothing emanates from me. 20.14
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ali Comment by ali on February 2, 2010 at 5:10pm
Delete Comment What is all this numbo jumbo have to do with transformation and self knowledge?All and every Religion have not achieved the freedom that human need urgently in fact they have divided him more and jailed him in the need TO BE. I can see myself and only i can see my actuality and no one or system or can help me and even if i depend on someone then i am making my self imprisioned. We can look at ourself and it is easy enough and out of the actual seeing there will come out freedom which will have its action without conflict .
M k j Comment by M k j on February 2, 2010 at 7:02pm
Delete Comment In short, I am the illusion and I am the being on the pathless land. I am the whole existance of the day and I am the dark space of the night...............................Lets get free from this 'I'.
ali Comment by ali on February 3, 2010 at 6:00am
Delete Comment What a lot of hogwash are you free of the I?Speak your mind dont repeat what someone else said-test it out and say it and we can see if what you say is true-by the way you express your self cause your thought structure is not different from mine or anybody else for the matter.If it Is rational we can follow it-but just repeating some mantra or some thing fancifull shows me you havent enquired into yourself-you are nothing but a second hand thought distributer.
Anita Comment by Anita on February 5, 2010 at 5:48am
Delete Comment Dear Santtosh, I don’t no how much time you spent for writing this... it’s a real book, thank you very much. I would like to print it out. It is not a book for read in one time, I think these are paragraphs for meditation. Krishnamurti also was talking and writing his whole life, for saying always the same, the only, the one, the essential thing, and even today people continues to read books, and looks videos from K, and discusses during hours in this Forum for understand what K says, but they are not ready, here and now to see that they are like this tiny little goldfish locked into his jar and turning around himself and does not see that the jar is at the bottom of the ocean!
santthosh Comment by santthosh on February 6, 2010 at 7:21pm
Delete Comment Dear Anita, I feel sad that the list mates are not interested going deeper to understand JK. Since their understanding is skin-deep and they will not be able to understand the deeper core of JK teachings. Any way it is part of the game . I posting this Osho's feelings for JK. I am not follower of Osho but I find what he says about JK is true. I am very thankful to those who criticized my blogs, and I am really grateful to those interected positively with me. I thank the moderator of the group for allowing me to interacting with the highly advanced seekers like Anita and Praveen. I say good by wishing all the best in their inner journey which is beyond all the teaching and understanding based on the ego. Thank you Take care Santthosh Good bye Death of the mystic, J. Krishnamurti, Osho’s tribute J. Krishnamurti died last Monday, In Ojai, California. In the past you have spoken of him as another enlightened being. Would you please comment on his death? The death of an enlightened being like J. Krishnamurti is nothing to be sad about, it is something to be celebrated with songs and dances. It is a moment of rejoicing. His death is not a death. He knows his immortality. His death is only the death of the body. But J. Krishnamurti will go on living in the universal consciousness, forever and forever. socrat08 Just three days before J. Krishnamurti died, one of my friends was with him; and he reported to me that his words to him were very strange. Krishnamurti was very sad and he simply said one thing: "I have wasted my life. People were listening to me as if I am an entertainment." The mystic is a revolution; he is not entertainment. If you hear him, if you allow him, if you open your doors to him, he is pure fire. He will burn all that is rubbish in you, all that is old in you, and he will purify you into a new human being. It is risky to allow fire into your being—rather than opening the doors, you immediately close all the doors. But entertainment is another thing. It does not change you. It does not make you more conscious; on the contrary, it helps you to remain unconscious for two, three hours, so that you can forget all your worries, concerns, anxieties—so that you can get lost in the entertainment. You can note it: as man has passed through the centuries, he has managed to create more and more entertainments, because he needs more and more to be unconscious. He is afraid of being conscious, because being conscious means to go through a metamorphosis. zara207 I was more shocked by the news than by the death. A man like J. Krishnamurti dies, and the papers don't have space to devote to that man who for ninety years continuously has been helping humanity to be more intelligent, to be more mature. Nobody has worked so hard and so long. Just a small news article, unnoticeable—and if a politician sneezes it makes headlines. socrat16 What is your connection with Krishnamurti? It is a real mystery. I have loved him since I have known him, and he has been very loving towards me. But we have never met; hence the relationship, the connection is something beyond words. We have not seen each other ever, but yet…perhaps we have been the two persons closest to each other in the whole world. We had a tremendous communion that needs no language, that need not be of physical presence…. You are asking me about my connection with him. It was the deepest possible connection—which needs no physical contact, which needs no linguistic communication. Not only that, once in a while I used to criticize him, he used to criticize me, and we enjoyed each other's criticism—knowing perfectly well that the other does not mean it. Now that he is dead, I will miss him because I will not be able to criticize him; it won't be right. It was such a joy to criticize him. He was the most intelligent man of this century, but he was not understood by people. He has died, and it seems the world goes on its way without even looking back for a single moment that the most intelligent man is no longer there. It will be difficult to find that sharpness and that intelligence again in centuries. But people are such sleep walkers, they have not taken much note. In newspapers, just in small corners where nobody reads, his death is declared. And it seems that a ninety-year-old man who has been continuously speaking for almost seventy years, moving around the world, trying to help people to get unconditioned, trying to help people to become free—nobody seems even to pay a tribute to the man who has worked the hardest in the whole of history for man's freedom, for man's dignity. I don't feel sorry for his death. His death is beautiful; he has attained all that life is capable to give. But I certainly feel sorry for the whole world. It goes on missing its greatest flights of consciousnesses, its highest peaks, its brightest stars. It is too much concerned with trivia. I feel such a deep affinity with Krishnamurti that even to talk of connection is not right; connection is possible only between two things which are separate. I feel almost a oneness with him. In spite of all his criticisms, in spite of all my criticisms—which were just joking with the old man, provoking the old man…and he was very easily provoked…. Krishnamurti's teaching is beautiful, but too serious. And my experience and feeling is that his seventy years went to waste because he was serious. So only people who were long-faced and miserable and serious types collected around him; he was a collector of corpses, and as he became older, those corpses also became older. I know people who have been listening to him for almost their whole lives; they are as old as he himself was. They are still alive. I know one woman who is ninety-five, and I know many other people. One thing I have seen in all of them, which is common, is that they are too serious. Life needs a little playfulness, a little humor, a little laughter. Only on that point am I in absolute disagreement with him; otherwise, he was a genius. He has penetrated as deeply as possible into every dimension of man's spirituality, but it is all like a desert, tiring. I would like you back in the garden of Eden, innocent, not serious, but like small children playing. This whole existence is playful. This whole existence is full of humor; you just need the sense of humor and you will be surprised…. Existence is hilarious. Everything is in a dancing mood, you just have to be in the same mood to understand it. I am not sorry that J. Krishnamurti is dead; there was nothing more for him to attain. I am sorry that his teaching did not reach the human heart because it was too dry, juiceless, with no humor, no laughter. But you will be surprised to know—whatever he was saying was against religions, was against politics, was against the status quo, was against the whole past, yet nobody was condemning him for the simple reason that he was ineffective. There was no reason to take note of him…. Krishnamurti failed because he could not touch the human heart; he could only reach the human head. The heart needs some different approaches. This is where I have differed with him all my life: unless the human heart is reached, you can go on repeating parrot-like, beautiful words—they don't mean anything. Whatever Krishnamurti was saying is true, but he could not manage to relate it to your heart. In other words, what I am saying is that J. Krishnamurti was a great philosopher but he could not become a master. He could not help people, prepare people for a new life, a new orientation. But still I love him, because amongst the philosophers he comes the closest to the mystic way of life. He himself avoided the mystic way, bypassed it, and that is the reason for his failure. But he is the only one amongst the modern contemporary thinkers who comes very close, almost on the boundary line of mysticism, and stops there. Perhaps he's afraid that if he talks about mysticism people will start falling into old patterns, old traditions, old philosophies of mysticism. That fear prevents him from entering. But that fear also prevents other people from entering into the mysteries of life…. I have met thousands of Krishnamurti people—because anybody who has been interested in Krishnamurti sooner or later is bound to find his way towards me, because where Krishnamurti leaves them, I can take their hand and lead them into the innermost shrine of truth. You can say my connection with Krishnamurti is that Krishnamurti has prepared the ground for me. He has prepared people intellectually for me; now it is my work to take those people deeper than intellect, to the heart; and deeper than the heart, to the being. Our work is one. Krishnamurti is dead, but his work will not be dead until I am dead. His work will continue. socrat25
Praveen Varma Comment by Praveen Varma on February 8, 2010 at 5:32am
Delete Comment Hi, Santtosh, :) I am a bit puzzled by this, as K died much after Rajneesh ; so how this article ?
Anita Comment by Anita on February 12, 2010 at 1:01pm
Delete Comment Dear Santtosh, Thank you very much for this article: "Osho's tribute" This man has had a great respect and love for Krishnamurti and what he said is true. Even here on this Krishnamurti Network many people are too seriously, they have forgotten what the joy of life is, they have forgotten what it is to laugh without reason..., to laugh of ourselves. They have forgotten what does it means to look at the world with the eyes of a child... to look at everything like you see it for the first time, without any judgement, without critique, without thought. Even so Krishnamurti spent all his live to say this only, one thing: "Live begins when thoughts ends" But people tried to understand K’s teaching with their mind, with their restricted intellect. Most of people try to understand teaching of K, but do not begin by wanting to understand themselves, to question themselves, to question their Ego and to unmask their Ego. I can understand K’s deception, when he said:" I have wasted my life..." I would tell him that he has not wasted his life. He has spoken without take care the result, and even when he was not understood of the majority of people, there are minorities who understand that only when the Ego is not there is freedom of the spirit. Even today Osho is criticized, but he make people forgotten the Ego for a while with his dance meditation and laugh meditation. Dear Praveen, Krishnamurti left us in 1986 and Osho in 1990. Anita
Praveen Varma Comment by Praveen Varma on February 12, 2010 at 9:21pm
Delete Comment Thank, Anita for the clarification..
santthosh Comment by santthosh on May 9, 2010 at 6:41am
Delete Comment Osho Quotes on Jiddu Krishnamurthy 1. Contradictions are our creations -- remember it -- because we cannot see the total, because we can only see the partial. Hence the contradiction. We can see only the aspect, never the whole -- hence the contradiction. Have you observed? Even if you are watching a small pebble in your palm, you cannot see the whole at one time. You see one part, the other part is hidden. when you see the other part, the first part goes into hiding. You can never see even a small pebble in its totality; not even a grain of sand can you see in its totality. When you are looking at my face, my back is just an inference: maybe it is there, maybe it is not there. When you look at my back, my face is just an inference: it may be there, it may not be there. We never see anything in totality, because the mind cannot see totality in anything. The mind is a partial outlook. When the mind is dropped, and the meditation has arisen, then you see the total. Then you see the whole as it is, all the aspects together. Then summer and winter are not separate, then spring and fall are not separate. Then you will see that birth and death are two aspects of the same process. Then happiness and unhappiness are not opposites, they are joined together; like a valley and a mountain, they are together. And when you see this togetherness of life, choice stops. Then there is nothing to choose. Have you not seen it? Whenever you choose happiness, you become the victim of unhappiness; whenever you want success, failure comes in; whenever you hope, frustration is waiting for you. whenever you cling to life, death comes and destroys. Have you not seen it happen every day, every moment? These are not opposites, they are together. When one sees them together, then what is there to choose? There is nothing to choose; one becomes choiceless. That's what Krishnamurti goes on saying: Be choiceless, be in a state of choiceless awareness -- but it cannot happen unless you have seen the togetherness of things. Once realized, that all things are together, then the choice becomes impossible. Then there is nothing to choose, because whatsoever you choose comes with the opposite. Then what is the point? You choose love and hate comes; you choose friendship and the enemy comes; you choose ANYTHING, and immediately the opposite comes as a shadow. One stops choosing. One remains choiceless. And when one is choiceless one has transcended all contradictions. To transcend contradictions is to transcend mind, and to transcend mind is to know what love is. Whatsoever you have known up to now as love has nothing to do with love. It is a misuse of the word. `Love' has been very much misused. There are only a few words which have been misused like `love'. `God' is another, `peace' is another. But `love' is at the top of the list. Everybody talks about love and nobody knows what it is. People sing about it, people write poetry about it, and they don't know what love is. 2. Krishnamurti has been saying that there is no need for a Master. He is right -- and absolutely wrong also. He is right because when you become awakened, you also know that there was no need, you were dreaming. When you become alert, dreaming stops, and then you can't feel what the need was.' It was just a dream, I could have shaken myself out of it.' But it is an afterthought. Even Krishnamurti needed Annie Besant and Leadbeater -- he had his own Masters. It is an afterthought. When a thing happens, then you can always feel: I could have done it. But when it has not happened, you cannot even think because your thinking will also be a part of your dream. A Master is needed when you are asleep. When you become awakened, you also will think a Master was not needed. Then for you, of course, the Master is not needed. But then many will be deluded because many egoists will surround you, as you will find. You cannot find anywhere else such a mass of egoists as you will find near Krishnamurti, because the moment the egoist hears that no Master is needed, he feels very happy. He says: Right! He always thinks he is the Ultimate; no need to surrender to anybody because ego resists surrender. And this man says that no Master is needed -- egoists feel very happy. Around Krishnamurti you will find all sorts of egoists because it seems very good, very convenient -- no need to surrender. 3. J. Krishnamurti, a man who struggled for ninety years -- his last words have some great meaning. One of my friends was present there. Krishnamurti lamented, he lamented his whole life. He lamented that "people have taken me as an entertainment. They come to listen to me...." There are people who have listened to him for fifty years continually, and still they are the same people as had come for the first time to listen to him. Naturally it is annoying and irritating that the same people... Most of them I know, because J. Krishnamurti used to come only once a year for two or three weeks to Bombay, and slowly, slowly all his followers in Bombay became acquainted with me. They all were sad about this point: What should be done? How can we make Krishnamurti happy? The reason was that Krishnamurti only talked, but never gave any devices in which whatever he was talking about became an experience. It was totally his fault. Whatever he was saying was absolutely right, but he was not creating the right climate, the right milieu in which it could become a seed. Of course he was very much disappointed with humanity, and that there was not a single person who had become enlightened through his teachings. His teachings have all the seeds, but he never prepared the ground. Zen does not deny entertainment the way J. Krishnamurti condemned it in his last testament to the world. He said, "Religion is not entertainment." That's true, but enlightenment can be vast enough to include entertainment in it. Enlightenment can be multidimensional. It can include laughter, it can include love, it can include beauty, it can include creativity. There is nothing to keep it from the world and from transforming the world into a more poetic place, a more beautiful garden. Everything can be brought to a better state of grace.
santthosh Comment by santthosh on May 9, 2010 at 6:42am
Delete Comment Question: Osho, Can An enlightened person be wrong? This refers to what you told us about J. Krishnamurti, who keeps on saying that one does not Need a Master, which is actually not right please comment. Osho: Prem Pantha, An Enlightened person can never be wrong. Neither J. Krishnamurti is wrong, but he never considers the situation in which you are. He considers only the space in which he is, and that freedom is part of enlightenment. The enlightened person has reached the highest peak of consciousness; his abode is on Everest. Now it is his freedom to speak according to the peak, the sunlit peak where he is, or to consider the people who are still in the dark valley, who know nothing about the light, for whom the peak of the Everest is only a dream, only a perhaps". This is the freedom of the enlightened person. Krishnamurti speaks in terms where he is. I speak in terms where you are, I consider you, because if I am speaking to you, you have to be taken in consideration. I have to lead you towards the highest peak, but the journey will begin in the dark valley, in your unconsciousness. If I talk about my experience, absolutely inconsiderate of you, I am right, but I am not useful to you. An enlightened person is never wrong, but he can be useful or he can be useless. J. Krishnamurti is useless! He is perfectly right; about that there is no question, because I know the peak and what he is saying is certainly true -- from the vision of the peak. Those who have arrived, for them the journey becomes almost a dream phenomenon. For those who have not arrived the journey is real, the goal is just a dream. They are living in two different worlds. When you are talking to a madman you have to consider him; if you don't consider him you cannot help him. Once a madman was brought to me. He had this crazy idea that one afternoon when he was sleeping, a fly has entered his mouth. And because he used to sleep with open mouth, nobody can deny the possibility. And since then he was very much disturbed because the fly was roaming inside him, jumping inside him, moving in his belly, going to his bladder, circulating in his bloodstream, sometimes in his head, sometimes in his feet. And of course he could not do anything because he was continuously occupied, obsessed with the fly. He was taken to the psychoanalysts and they said, "This is just in your mind -- there is no fly! And no fly can move in your bloodstream, there is no possibility. Even if a fly has entered it must have died! And now six months have passed; it cannot be alive inside you." He listened, but he could not believe it because his experience was far more solid. He was taken to the doctors and everybody examined him and they did everything, but finally they will say, "It is just a mental thing. You are imagining." He will listen what they were saying, but he could not trust because his experience was far more certain than their words. His family brought him to me as a last resort. The man was looking very tired because he was being taken to one person, then to another, then all kinds of physicians -- allopaths and homeopaths and naturopaths -- and he was really tired. In the first place the fly was tiring him, and now all these "pathies", medicines. And everybody was insulting him -- that was his feeling, that they were saying that he was just imagining. Is he a fool or he is mad, that he will imagine such a thing? They were all humiliating him -- that was his feeling. I looked at the man and I said, "It is so clear that the fly is inside!" For a moment he was puzzled. He could not believe me, because nobody has said that to him -- because nobody has considered him. And they ALL were right and I was wrong -- there was no fly, but the madman has to be considered. And I said, "All those fools are just wasting your time; you should have come first here. It is such a simple thing to bring the fly out; there is no need to bother. Medicines won't help -- you are not ill. Psycholanalysis will not help -- you are not crazy." And immediately he was a changed man! He looked at his wife and said, "Now what do you say? This is the right man," he said, "who really knows. And all those fools were trying to convince me that there is no fly. It is there!" I said to him that, "It is simple -- we will take it out. You lie down." I covered him with a blanket and told him to keep his eyes closed and "I will do some mantra, some magic, and we will bring the fly out. You just keep quiet so that the fly sits somewhere. Otherwise the fly is continuously running -- where to catch it?" He said, "That looks logical. I will keep absolutely still!" And I said, "Don't open your eyes. Just remain silent, breathe slowly, so the fly settles somewhere, so we can catch hold of it!" Then I rushed into the house to find a fly. It was a little bit difficult because for the first time I was trying that, but finally I succeeded -- I could get a fly in a bottle. And I came to the man, I moved my hand on his body, and I asked him, "Where the fly is?" And he said, "In the belly." And I touched the belly and I said, "Of course it is there!" And I convinced him that I perfectly believe in him and then I uncovered his blanket and showed him the fly. And he said to the wife, "Now see! And give this bottle to me; I will go all to those fools and take all the fees that they have taken from me! I have wasted thousands of rupees, and all that they did was they told me I am mad! And now I don't feel the fly anywhere, because it is in the bottle!" He took the bottle, he went to the doctors. One of the doctors who knew me, he came to see me. He said, "How you managed? Six months a fly can live in the body? And that man has taken his fee back from me, because he was making such a fuss that I said, 'Better give it back to him!' And he proved that he was right!" I said, "It is not the point who is right." Gautam the Buddha defines truth as "that which works". This is the ancientmost pragmatic definition of truth: "that which works"! All the devices are truth in this sense: they work; they are only devices. The Buddha's work is Upaya; Upaya exactly means device. Meditation is an Upaya, a device. It simply helps you to get nd of that which you have not got in the first place -- the fly: the ego, the misery, the anguish! It helps you to get free of it, but in fact it is not there. But it is not to be told... And Krishnamurti has been doing that: he has been telling crazy people that the fly does not exist and you don't need any doctor. I say to you: the fly exists and you need the doctor! Because just by telling to you that the fly does not exist is not going to help you at all. For thousands of years you have been told the ego does not exist. Has it helped you in any way? There have been people who have told, in this country particularly, that the whole world is illusory, MAYA, it does not exist, but has it helped India in any way? The true test is there: whether it has helped, whether it has made people more authentic, more real. It has not helped at all. It has made people more deeply cunning, split, schizophrenic; it has made them hypocrites. All the religions have done this, because they don't consider you. And you are far more important than the ultimate truth, because the ultimate truth has nothing to do with y ou right now. You are living in a dreamworld; some device is needed which can help you to come out of it. The moment you are out of it, you will know it was a dream -- but a person who is dreaming, to tell him that it is all dream is meaningless. Have you not observed in your dreams that when you are dreaming it looks real? And every morning you have found that it was unreal. hut again in the night you forget all your understanding of the day -- again the dream becomes real. It has been happening again and again: every night the dream becomes real, every morning you know it is false, but that knowing does not help. In the dream one can even dream that this is a dream. And that's what has happened in India: people are living in maya, deeply in it, and still talking that "This is all maya." And this talk too is part of their dream; it does not destroy the dream. In fact it makes the dream more rooted in them, because now there is no need to get rid of it -- because it is a dream! So why get rid of it? It does not matter. In a subtle way all the religions have done this: they have talked from the highest peak to the people for whom that peak does not exist yet. The people are living in darkness, and you go on telling them that darkness has no existence. It is true -- darkness has no existence, it is only the absence of light -- but just by saying to people that darkness has no existence is not going to bring light in. That's what Krishnamurti is doing; it has been done by many people. Nagarjuna did it -- Krishnamurti is not new, not at least in the East. Nagarjuna did it: he said, "Everything is false. The world is false, the ego is false, nothing exists. Because nothing exists you are already free. There is no need for any meditation, there is no need for any Master. There is no need to find out any device, strategy, technique, because in the first place there is no problem. Why go on looking for solutions? Those solutions will create more problems; they are not going to help." Nagarjuna did it; before Nagarjuna, Mahakashyap did it, and it has been a long tradition. Zen people have been saying the same thing for centuries. Krishnamurti never uses the word "Zen", but whatsoever he is talking is nothing but Zen -- simple Zen. Zen says no effort is needed, nothing has to be done. When nothing has to be done, what is the need of a Master? -- because the Master will tell you to do something. Nothing has to be done -- what is the need of the scriptures? -- because the scriptures will tell you to do something, to know something. Nothing has to be done, nothing has to be known. You are already there where you are trying to reach. And I know this is true, but to talk about this ultimate truth to people who are living in tremendous darkness is futile . Prem Pantha, no enlightened person can ever be wrong, but only few enlightened persons have been of help. The majority of enlightened people have been of no help at all, for the simple reason because they never considered the other. In fact, George Gurdjieff used to say, "Don't consider the other." It was one of his basic teachings: "Don't consider the other. Just say what is absolutely true." But the absolute truth is truth only when experienced; people are living in relative truth. My approach is different from Krishnamurti's. I know that one day you will come to that point where nothing is needed -- no Master, no teaching, no scripture -- but right now the scripture can be of help, the methods can be of help, and certainly a living Master can be of immense help. The function of the Master is to give you that which you already have and to take away that which you don't have at all. Source: from book "I am that" by Osho